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"Denial of science", or similar, should be noted in the first paragraph
In a similar fashion the Wikipedia page for Flat Earth, it would be beneficial and noteworthy for this article to begin by stating that transphobia is a form of science denial. Thank you. MoonTheCraft (talk) 16:28, 21 April 2026 (UTC)
- “Transphobia is a form of science denial” ugh… I’m sorry but it’s kind of a very hard claim to support ~2026-28834-89 (talk) 11:04, 13 May 2026 (UTC)
- As with most of Wikipedia, if we are to mention this, it would be very good to have a reliable secondary source that indicates it. Do you have something that discusses the "denial of science" perspective? —Quantling (talk | contribs) 18:53, 13 May 2026 (UTC)
- This would be very difficult to source! Not sure it is even true Scientelensia (talk) 21:46, 30 July 2026 (UTC)
"Social disease", or similar, should be noted in the article
Transphobia can be called a social disease, as noted by this study. ~2026-35934-38 (talk) 10:00, 2 July 2026 (UTC)
Picture – POV pushing
I doubt this picture (featuring Nazi imagery) is representative of all anti-transgender sentiment. It seems extreme, and pushes a POV. I advocate for its removal, or replacement. Scientelensia (talk) 16:05, 30 July 2026 (UTC)
- It is illustrative of the intimidation used against transgender people and shows that it originates, mostly, from the far-right. Far from pushing a POV it illustrates the topic accurately, almost perfectly even. I'm not sure what could be a better image than this. You might say it is "extreme" but this is an article about a form of extremism and the image reflects that. We can't use a picture of an individual known transphobe, for very obvious reasons, and that would be even less representative of the overall topic. What do you think the actual problem is? What do you think the POV is here? Do you have a suggestion for a better image? If you can find anything better then maybe we can use that as the lead image and move the current image down but we are not removing the current image from the article. --DanielRigal (talk) 16:33, 30 July 2026 (UTC)
- I'm not sure I agree with your reasoning. Whilst Transphobia sometimes implies intimidation (a far-right tactic), most 'Transphobia' (i.e. general opposition against the concept of trans people) comes from the centre and centre-right. The article itself starts off with a moderate sentence which doesn't couple the sentiment with violent tendencies – 'Transphobia consists of negative attitudes, feelings, or actions towards transgender or transsexual people, or transness in general.' This is why a Transphobia article shouldn't be represented by such a picture. For the article on violence against trans people, it would certainly be more relevant and more representative for the lead. That said, I can suggest a better picture for the lead – the bus one which is already in the article, since that one doesn't give undue weight to N*zi imagery. Other images would include File:TERF sticker.jpg, Transphobia symbol.png, or Transphobic Graffito.jpg. Take your pick, I think all would do nicely. Thanks, Scientelensia (talk) 21:43, 30 July 2026 (UTC)
- As a courtesy I've attached the images linked. I agree with DanielRigal that the current one is the best of these. Aside from being a compelling piece of urban photography, it is also the most straight-forward possible illustration of the concept. I don't see how it implies that all anti-transgender sentiment is necessarily extreme or far-right. That said, I don't think my great aunt would know what "pronouns" were or have an opinion about them, if not for the many right-wing and far-right movements internationally rallying around transphobia as their favorite wedge issue of the 2020s. –RoxySaunders 🏳️⚧️ (talk • stalk) 02:43, 31 July 2026 (UTC)
- It is indeed a compelling piece of urban photography. But by affording it leading position in article – the first visual item readers see – it intrinsically ties transphobia with extreme-right sentiment, including Nazism. This evidently isn't the intention, but it is something to fix for sure. Thanks for attaching the images! I believe any one of them is better as a leading image. Scientelensia (talk) 16:52, 31 July 2026 (UTC)
- As a courtesy I've attached the images linked. I agree with DanielRigal that the current one is the best of these. Aside from being a compelling piece of urban photography, it is also the most straight-forward possible illustration of the concept. I don't see how it implies that all anti-transgender sentiment is necessarily extreme or far-right. That said, I don't think my great aunt would know what "pronouns" were or have an opinion about them, if not for the many right-wing and far-right movements internationally rallying around transphobia as their favorite wedge issue of the 2020s. –RoxySaunders 🏳️⚧️ (talk • stalk) 02:43, 31 July 2026 (UTC)
- I'm not sure I agree with your reasoning. Whilst Transphobia sometimes implies intimidation (a far-right tactic), most 'Transphobia' (i.e. general opposition against the concept of trans people) comes from the centre and centre-right. The article itself starts off with a moderate sentence which doesn't couple the sentiment with violent tendencies – 'Transphobia consists of negative attitudes, feelings, or actions towards transgender or transsexual people, or transness in general.' This is why a Transphobia article shouldn't be represented by such a picture. For the article on violence against trans people, it would certainly be more relevant and more representative for the lead. That said, I can suggest a better picture for the lead – the bus one which is already in the article, since that one doesn't give undue weight to N*zi imagery. Other images would include File:TERF sticker.jpg, Transphobia symbol.png, or Transphobic Graffito.jpg. Take your pick, I think all would do nicely. Thanks, Scientelensia (talk) 21:43, 30 July 2026 (UTC)
- @Scientelensia If you have an image that you think would be a good addition to the article, please add it and/or share it here. I would refrain from deleting the existing image unless we reach a consensus here. —Quantling (talk | contribs) 16:58, 30 July 2026 (UTC)
- I have done above now! Thanks, Scientelensia (talk) 21:44, 30 July 2026 (UTC)
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Section "Physical violence"
I think this section should be rewritten. It downplays physical violence against trans people since it focuses on the very specific part of the source in which trans people in general are less likely to be victims of homicide while leaving out a lot of important context which is mentioned in the sources. The source itself says that the data is unreliable and homicides of trans people are very likely undercounted.
I think the part about the lower murder rates in general gives the impression that trans people are somewhat safer than the general population. That's why it should include some context about how unreliable the data is and that trans people are way more likely to be victim of a violent crime and therefore are more precautious. (See here or here)
Other source: "Transgender people over four times more likely than cisgender people to be victims of violent crime" https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/press/ncvs-trans-press-release/ ~2026-43667-98 (talk) 19:01, 8 August 2026 (UTC)
- I certainly agree that that section is lacking. If you want to write up a proposed wording, you can post it here as an edit request. Alternatively, you could register an account and make a few edits somewhere else to get autoconfirmed, at which point you will be able to edit this page yourself. -- Maddy from Celeste (WAVEDASH) 22:26, 8 August 2026 (UTC)
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