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Keystone species?
Just thought I'd post this quote from L. David Mech in response to the 27 July addition to the article:
In the recent past, wolves were labeled a flagship species or an umbrella, indicator, or keystone species, depending on what conservation market one was trying to penetrate... A flagship species is an attraction to nearly all society's strata, but wolves are not welcomed by all factions of society. With a few rare exceptions, the rural world opposes wolves, so the animal's flagship role is restricted primarily to urbanites or to local areas. Wolves are certainly a powerful flagship species for the conservation movement, particularly that of affluent societies with strong lobbies in large cities, but a true flagship species should be able to move an entire society toward a goal.
Neither are wolves a good umbrella species (i.e., a species, usually high in the ecological pyramid, whose conservation necessarily fosters that of the rest of the chain) in that they can live well on a variety of food resources and in areas with an impoverished prey base. Wolves are not a keystone species either, in that they are not essential for the presence of many other species (e.g., herbivores flourish in areas devoid of wolves). And wolves are not necessarily indicators of good habitat quality or integrity because they are too generalist to be good indicators of the presence of a pristine trophic chain.
Mech, L. D., and Boitani, L. (Editors). 2003. Wolves: Behavior, Ecology, and Conservation. University of Chicago Press. pp. 341-344. ISBN 0-226-51696-2
I guess this hinges on what definition of keystone species is being used in the sources provided in the addition.
Mariomassone (talk) 19:58, 27 July 2025 (UTC)
Would someone add "Wolfram" to the Germanic names list?
I can't edit, someone who can, please add the old German name Wolfram = "Wolf-Raven" to the list. Thanks! 92.217.184.213 (talk) 14:04, 1 September 2025 (UTC)
Why didn't we use the paraphyletic group template for canis lupus and why didn't we put canis familiaris under "Cladistically included but traditionally excluded taxa"?
Canis lupus is a paraphyletic group, and canis familiaris is cladistically included in canis lupus as canis lupus familiaris but traditionally excluded from canis lupus Cantthinkofanyusername (talk) 06:54, 1 April 2026 (UTC)
Grey Wolves mentioned
At the start of the article it mentions canis lupis also known as the grey wolf, this could spread disinformation as they are many sub-species of wolves and despite the grey wolves being the dominant species it cannot be just assumed to be "also known as" ~2026-22795-28 (talk) 04:55, 13 April 2026 (UTC)
- Grey wolf = Canis lupus. There is no issue here. Mariomassone (talk) 10:54, 13 April 2026 (UTC)
- Also, the hatnote directing readers to wolf (disambiguation) handles what you are asking for. - UtherSRG (talk) 14:15, 13 April 2026 (UTC)
Cladogram
The text below the cladogram needs to state that this cladogram was "based on 20 nuclear genes". That the wolf and coyote split 1.1 million years ago is laughable based on recent whole genome sequencing, but I note that the reference cited (Koepfli, 2015) is over a decade old. ~2026-42230-19 (talk) 06:56, 4 August 2026 (UTC)
further
Under Evolution, the article states that "The divergence time for wolves in Europe, the Middle East, and Asia is estimated to be fairly recent at around 1,600 years ago." The Fan 2016 reference said no such thing.
Fan said "The divergence of New and Old World wolves is the oldest of these events at 12,500 ya, followed by divergence of Eastern and Western Eurasian wolves at 11,700 ya. The divergence times between sequences from Europe, the Middle East, and Asia fall within a relatively short period of time of ∼1600 yr." The divergences occurred within a period of 1,600 years, and not 1,600 years ago. ~2026-42230-19 (talk) 10:52, 4 August 2026 (UTC)
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