Template talk:Federal law enforcement agencies of the United States

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This template now includes all the content from Template:United States military law enforcement. Just wondering whether anyone had any thoughts on whether that template had any utility still? I've started a discussion at Template_talk:United_States_military_law_enforcement#Is_this_template_still_necessary.3F. ninety:one 19:53, 1 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-08-01T19:53:00.000Z","author":"Ninetyone","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Ninetyone-2013-08-01T19:53:00.000Z-Replace_{{United_States_military_law_enforcement}}?","replies":[],"displayName":"ninety"}}-->

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Military Police

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Military Police of all branches are not federal law enforcement. Only the civilian police counterparts are per statute. UpstateCops (talk) 01:44, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230705014400","author":"UpstateCops","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-UpstateCops-20230705014400-Military_Police","replies":["c-Garuda28-20230706142400-UpstateCops-20230705014400"]}}-->

You have a source for that? Garuda28 (talk) 14:24, 6 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230706142400","author":"Garuda28","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Garuda28-20230706142400-UpstateCops-20230705014400","replies":["c-UpstateCops-20230706143100-Garuda28-20230706142400"]}}-->

https://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-library/abstracts/military-police-authority-over-civilians-they-look-police-they-act (from the DOJ themself)

https://www.streetdirectory.com/etoday/-eflwfc.html (not official, but worth a read for insight)

The only piece of civilian legislation recognizing their status as "federal law enforcement" is LEOSA, which grants federal police & special agents to carry their service weapon off duty. However, this does not legally grant them federal law enforcement status.

Many federal police ARE actual federal police but are not included in LEOSA. LEOSA does not determine your status, and as to whether you are in fact legally federal law enforcement, with the authority that comes with being federal law enforcement. UpstateCops (talk) 14:31, 6 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230706143100","author":"UpstateCops","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-UpstateCops-20230706143100-Garuda28-20230706142400","replies":["c-Garuda28-20230707025000-UpstateCops-20230706143100"]}}-->

Nether of those sources indicate that military police are not federal law enforcement agencies, simply that they do not have the same powers off military bases. The first has issues as WP:PRIMARY. Also the second is an editorial and not a WP:RS. Garuda28 (talk) 02:50, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230707025000","author":"Garuda28","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Garuda28-20230707025000-UpstateCops-20230706143100","replies":["c-UpstateCops-20230707035800-Garuda28-20230707025000"]}}-->

A federal law enforcement agency would have power off military bases. You already contradicted yourself.

If military police were in fact federal law enforcement, they would have powers off DOD property & military installations. However, they do not. Thus, they are not federal law enforcement.

As far as my sources, the first one is from the Department of Justice themself. Throw around any Wikipedia rules you want, the DOJ themself have addressed this. We can apply a little bit of common sense. My second link I provided to give you insight, as I don't know your background or your level of knowledge on this topic.

If you insist they are federal law enforcement, I think its fair you show me the United States Code that designates them that authority. Every member of federal law enforcement has federal statutes defining their authority & responsibilities. UpstateCops (talk) 03:58, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230707035800","author":"UpstateCops","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-UpstateCops-20230707035800-Garuda28-20230707025000","replies":["c-Garuda28-20230707130000-UpstateCops-20230707035800"]}}-->

Again, do you have any WP:RS that clearly states that they are not federal law enforcement? The bar for removal is high as they are: a. Federal, b. Law enforcement. Garuda28 (talk) 13:00, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230707130000","author":"Garuda28","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Garuda28-20230707130000-UpstateCops-20230707035800","replies":["c-UpstateCops-20230707142300-Garuda28-20230707130000"]}}-->

After looking at the definitions of "Federal law enforcement officer" per 34 U.S. Code § 50301 - Definitions, I'll admit I was wrong here. Military police are federal law enforcement, though I would argue it is on a technicality. UpstateCops (talk) 14:23, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230707142300","author":"UpstateCops","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-UpstateCops-20230707142300-Garuda28-20230707130000","replies":[]}}-->