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I removed TopTV from the ethnic stations list -- it's been off the air for a couple months, and its website hasn't been updated since last year. I doubt it would return. It had a very limited selection of programming that it would repeat over and over again.
I also wonder if KHIZ should be added to the ethnic stations section. I can't receive this channel, but I've heard that its prime-time programming is in Mandarin and Cantonese. Hope someone would verify it. Chamaca.cosmica (talk) 00:53, 13 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-04-13T00:53:00.000Z","author":"Chamaca.cosmica","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Chamaca.cosmica-2009-04-13T00:53:00.000Z","replies":["c-71.102.2.206-2009-07-08T11:28:00.000Z-Chamaca.cosmica-2009-04-13T00:53:00.000Z"]}}-->

I added the two full-time low-power translators for the Antelope and Victor Valleys: K12AO is an ABC station and K19DB is a spanish-speaking station of Azteca America. The digital conversion last month may changed this statistic out of my knowledge. Victorville is part of the Los Angeles market and easily received San Bernardino TV signals, but has several Los Angeles area translators of it's TV stations. The Antelope and Victor Valleys has a history of independent TV stations and an ABC? affiliate: KHDT 38/64 in the 1970s to early '90s. KHIZ 12/64 is a reincarnation of that station in the mid 1990s to operate with UPN/WB programs, later fell under control of AIN and A-1 networks in the late 1990s. The ethnoracial diversity of Antelope/Victor valleys produced a high need for Spanish-language and Asian-oriented programs, thus KHIZ adapted a multicultural theme in the 2000s as it became an Inland Empire and now L.A. area TV station. Another High Desert TV station KVMD 23/31 based in Yucca Valley began as local, then religious and now a part ethnic format. KIJR 47 is a low-power translator for the Palm Springs area (including Yucca Valley) of KVMD or KHIZ (I'm not sure which one), other than KSCI 18 San Bernardino is one of the most renowned TV stations to serve the High Desert in addition to the L.A. metro area. + 71.102.2.206 (talk) 11:28, 8 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-07-08T11:28:00.000Z","author":"71.102.2.206","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-71.102.2.206-2009-07-08T11:28:00.000Z-Chamaca.cosmica-2009-04-13T00:53:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

What reason is there that some station IDs are bolded and others are not? Initially, I thought it was to note significant stations but then again, what standard are we using to label from another?--Kencaesi (talk) 20:27, 14 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-07-14T20:27:00.000Z","author":"Kencaesi","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Kencaesi-2009-07-14T20:27:00.000Z-Questioning_of_format","replies":["c-69.225.220.83-2009-07-16T17:08:00.000Z-Kencaesi-2009-07-14T20:27:00.000Z"]}}-->

The reason the channel is bolded is because it shows that the channel is a network O&O, which for example, KCBS is owned by CBS, KNBC is owned by NBC, KABC is owned by ABC, etc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.225.220.83 (talk) 17:08, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-07-16T17:08:00.000Z","author":"69.225.220.83","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-69.225.220.83-2009-07-16T17:08:00.000Z-Kencaesi-2009-07-14T20:27:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Should we modify the template to include Digital UHF signals, in addition to the PSIP channels of each TV station of the Los Angeles Market? For example, KTLA 5.1 PSIP and 31 Digital, though most people with regular TV sets just watch KTLA on channel "5" the trademark of the former analog channel before the digital conversion took place. + 71.102.3.86 (talk) 00:00, 11 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-08-11T00:00:00.000Z","author":"71.102.3.86","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-71.102.3.86-2009-08-11T00:00:00.000Z-New_Digital_television_channels","replies":[]}}-->

I tried to make the ethnic stations section clearer by first listing the main multilingual stations, then listing subchannels according to their language. Since there are just 5 languages other than English and Spanish that have stations devoted to them, I thought listing each language once might be more legible than listing them individually for each subchannel, ending up in a bunch of wikilinks. (Sorry about my first edits of this template; I got confused and thought I was editing a copy in my sandbox.) Chamaca.cosmica (talk) 02:20, 21 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-09-21T02:20:00.000Z","author":"Chamaca.cosmica","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Chamaca.cosmica-2009-09-21T02:20:00.000Z-Proliferation_of_ethnic_stations","replies":[]}}-->

There are a few things missing on the Los Angeles TV template. One is the existence of K1TVLA.com in the late 1990s-early 2000s, an interactive internet-television station available on cable channel 01 in most of the L.A. area. Second is 3ABN a channel operated by the Seventh-Day Adventist Church has transmitters on channels 3 (Loma Linda, California is the channel's HQ), as well on 6, 7 and 9 depending on where you are in the Inland Empire region and High Desert (California). Third is something about a Farsi language television station (KICN?) with its studios based in the San Fernando Valley in L.A. (is it on channel 21?), but it's available on cable, satellite and even in Iran. Fourth is KOSA channel 48 based in Orange county (also called KORA-LP) was around in the 1990s-2000s and from what I heard either KOCE (Southern California's only PBS stations since 2011) bought them or the station became a subchannel of KOCE. Fifth are the substations of KABC 7 (ABC) in the High Desert from the 1960s to 2000s: over-air channels 12, 27, 38, 61, 64 and 67, nowadays a stronger transmitter on Mount Wilson near Pasadena has increased KABC's power in the High Desert. And finally, a defunct/missing station or two (KEIV, KOEQ and KHIX) were listed in 1970s Palm Springs (KEIV and KOEQ in the VHF 2-13 range) and 2000s High Desert (KHIX in the UHF 60s range) newspaper TV guides' schedules, they were independent stations. FOX News and MSNBC each (defunct?) had over-air channels in the Los Angeles and Palm Springs areas (FOX News), as well Bakersfield and High Desert (MSNBC). No matter how advanced Google and other search engines are, I find it difficult to verify them and cannot add all of them to the template. 2605:E000:FDCA:4200:A97F:3DC4:37A3:68EB (talk) 00:26, 11 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-12-11T00:26:00.000Z","author":"2605:E000:FDCA:4200:A97F:3DC4:37A3:68EB","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-2605:E000:FDCA:4200:A97F:3DC4:37A3:68EB-2015-12-11T00:26:00.000Z-Need_more_information_on_missing_channels_I'm_sure_can_be_added_here","replies":["c-2605:E000:FDCA:4200:A97F:3DC4:37A3:68EB-2015-12-11T00:53:00.000Z-2605:E000:FDCA:4200:A97F:3DC4:37A3:68EB-2015-12-11T00:26:00.000Z"]}}-->

Another thing came to mind on the failed attempts of two "major" television networks: USA Network (over-air) owned by NBC in the late 1990s-early 2000s (they had TV stations like WHOT in Atlanta and WSUN in Miami, Florida) TNN (post-country music theme as the National Network) owned by CBS around the same time, now Spike TV. I didn't find such TV stations in the Los Angeles TV area, unless they were subchannels of KCBS 2 (TNN) and KNBC 4 (USA). Briefly, K67AO was the then-premium Disney Channel for the San Fernando Valley and Antelope Valley in the early 1980s, which was owned by KABC 7 was rented by the launched cable channel. ABC is also available from KERO-TV on channel 10 from Bakersfield in the High Desert region. 2605:E000:FDCA:4200:A97F:3DC4:37A3:68EB (talk) 00:53, 11 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-12-11T00:53:00.000Z","author":"2605:E000:FDCA:4200:A97F:3DC4:37A3:68EB","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-2605:E000:FDCA:4200:A97F:3DC4:37A3:68EB-2015-12-11T00:53:00.000Z-2605:E000:FDCA:4200:A97F:3DC4:37A3:68EB-2015-12-11T00:26:00.000Z","replies":["c-2605:E000:FDCA:4200:613F:2DF8:D15B:5AA2-2015-12-17T02:18:00.000Z-2605:E000:FDCA:4200:A97F:3DC4:37A3:68EB-2015-12-11T00:53:00.000Z"]}}-->

Antelope Valley TV stations and translators can be found here. http://www.avnewstalk.com/avdtv.html For example, K59AO (3) is a KNBC 4 translator and K67AO (12) is now a FOX 11 translator. Before the FCC removed the UHF 52-69 channel band and the digital transition in 2009, Channel 53 (10) is KCOP 13, channel 55 (6) is KTLA 5 which replaced channel 61 in Ridgecrest, California, Channel 63 is KCBS 2 (CBS is received on 33 from KBAK-TV Bakersfield) and channel 65 (8) is KCAL 9. Digital UHF signals may travel farther in area and appear on screen better now, which means the use of low-power translators are obsolete. The new release of VHF channel 1 and UHF channel 37 in digital transmission bands form uses a different wavelength in compliance to FCC regulations (600 Mhz, while radio astronomy uses 608-616 Mhz). Channels 14-17 in the UHF band are not used within Los Angeles County, due to their mobile radio frequency (Mhz) use, but it can be used in western Riverside and western San Bernardino counties, and maybe in Orange and Ventura Counties. 2605:E000:FDCA:4200:613F:2DF8:D15B:5AA2 (talk) 02:18, 17 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-12-17T02:18:00.000Z","author":"2605:E000:FDCA:4200:613F:2DF8:D15B:5AA2","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-2605:E000:FDCA:4200:613F:2DF8:D15B:5AA2-2015-12-17T02:18:00.000Z-2605:E000:FDCA:4200:A97F:3DC4:37A3:68EB-2015-12-11T00:53:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->