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I accidentally screwed up the article about smoke grenades. I don’t know what the heck I did, but that page is broken. So I am turning myself in as an unintentional vandal. Professor Penguino (talk) 13:26, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240812132600","author":"Professor Penguino","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Professor_Penguino-20240812132600-Turning_myself_in.","replies":["c-Deor-20240812133300-Professor_Penguino-20240812132600"]}}-->

I undid your page move. (I think you could have done this yourself, since the redirect you left at Smoke grenade had no history other than your move.) Anyway, no problem. Deor (talk) 13:33, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240812133300","author":"Deor","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Deor-20240812133300-Professor_Penguino-20240812132600","replies":["c-Professor_Penguino-20240812134400-Deor-20240812133300","c-Professor_Penguino-20240812134700-Deor-20240812133300"]}}-->

Thank you very much!

I did try to undo my own edit, but it kept saying the operation failed. All’s well that ends well! Professor Penguino (talk) 13:44, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240812134400","author":"Professor Penguino","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Professor_Penguino-20240812134400-Deor-20240812133300","replies":[]}}-->

By the way, what I originally wanted to do was capitalize the first letter of the article. On my end at least, it looked like “smoke grenade” and not “Smoke grenade”. It didn’t work, so I thought it was a glitch. Instead I decided to move the article to another name first, and then move it to “Smoke grenade.” When I tried moving it, I got an error message. When I tried undoing my move, I got an error message. And that’s when I realized I screwed up. Professor Penguino (talk) 13:47, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240812134700","author":"Professor Penguino","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Professor_Penguino-20240812134700-Deor-20240812133300","replies":["c-Deor-20240812135100-Professor_Penguino-20240812134700"]}}-->

@Professor Penguino: Yes, for some reason there was a {{Lowercase}} template at the bottom of the article, and that's what was causing the title to appear as "smoke grenade" rather than "Smoke grenade". I've removed it. Deor (talk) 13:51, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240812135100","author":"Deor","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Deor-20240812135100-Professor_Penguino-20240812134700","replies":["c-Professor_Penguino-20240812135300-Deor-20240812135100"]}}-->

Thank you again! Professor Penguino (talk) 13:53, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240812135300","author":"Professor Penguino","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Professor_Penguino-20240812135300-Deor-20240812135100","replies":[]}}-->

Is it possible to have my access to Wikipedia pages, except my personal page and its talk page, blocked for one year. I need to take that time to reflect on my situation in Wikipedia. Dominic Mayers (talk) 01:18, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240818011800","author":"Dominic Mayers","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Dominic_Mayers-20240818011800-Voluntary_block","replies":["c-Deor-20240818020700-Dominic_Mayers-20240818011800"]}}-->

@Dominic Mayers: I haven't any objection to blocking a user who requests a block; but I don't believe I've ever done so, and I'm not sure what you mean by "access". As far as I know, if I fully block you, you'll be able to edit your user talk page but not your user page and its subpages (and you'll still, of course, be able to view any Wikipedia pages, just not to edit them). If you want to end your block before the year is up, you'll have to request an unblock on your talk page.

Alternatively, I could do a partial block preventing you from editing mainspace pages and their talk pages, and you'd still be able to edit your own user page and talk page (as well as other non-mainsapce pages).

As you might perceive, I'm waffling a bit here because I'm not really sure what you want. I can see that you may be frustrated by some interactions at Talk:Epistemology, but perhaps just staying away from that article for a while may be all that's needed. Can you clarify exactly what you want to be prevented from doing here? Or you may be more comfortable asking one of the admins in Category:Wikipedia administrators willing to consider placing self-requested blocks, who doubtless have more experience than I with this sort of thing. Deor (talk) 02:07, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240818020700","author":"Deor","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Deor-20240818020700-Dominic_Mayers-20240818011800","replies":["c-Dominic_Mayers-20240818021900-Deor-20240818020700"]}}-->

That's OK. I did not explain myself well. Can you block me in writing for the main space, the associated talk pages, and the wikipedia space and would this still allow me to modify my personal page and its talk page ? Dominic Mayers (talk) 02:19, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240818021900","author":"Dominic Mayers","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Dominic_Mayers-20240818021900-Deor-20240818020700","replies":["c-Deor-20240818023100-Dominic_Mayers-20240818021900"]}}-->

All right, I've blocked you from article, article talk, Wikipedia, and Wikipedia talk pages for one year. If you want the block removed before it expires, you can just ask me here, since you should still be able to edit User talk pages. Deor (talk) 02:31, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240818023100","author":"Deor","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Deor-20240818023100-Dominic_Mayers-20240818021900","replies":[]}}-->

In the following quotation in Voltaire, I placed the period outside the quotation mark and you switched it back: "have surpassed all nations in impertinent fables, in bad conduct and in barbarism. You deserve to be punished, for this is your destiny." You are correct, of course, because, in the U.S., periods and commas go inside quotation marks. But Wikipedia, to my knowledge, does the reverse. I don't know the Wikipedia page that has punctuation rules. Can you let me know, and we'll check this point? Thanks. Maurice Magnus (talk) 11:27, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240818112700","author":"Maurice Magnus","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Maurice_Magnus-20240818112700-periods,_commas,_and_quotation_marks","replies":["c-Deor-20240818143500-Maurice_Magnus-20240818112700","c-Maurice_Magnus-20240818150100-Maurice_Magnus-20240818112700"]}}-->

@Maurice Magnus: The relevant Manual of Style guideline can be found at WP:LQ. The sentence covering the situation you've cited above, as I see it, is "When quoting a full sentence, the end of which coincides with the end of the sentence containing it, place terminal punctuation inside the closing quotation mark." Of course, this case is somewhat odd, since the quoted matter consists of both a partial sentence and a full sentence, so that if the quotation ended at "... in barbarism", the period would indeed go outside the closing quotation mark; but the guideline seems clear to me. Deor (talk) 14:35, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240818143500","author":"Deor","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Deor-20240818143500-Maurice_Magnus-20240818112700","replies":[]}}-->

@Deor: I agree, and I congratulate you on being one of the few, if not the only, Wikipedia editor who is aware of the different rules for complete sentences and partial sentences. I think it's crazy to make this so complex, as it results in its not being adhered to anyway. We ought to have periods and commas inside quotation marks in all cases, just as every other publication in the U.S. does. Maurice Magnus (talk) 15:01, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240818150100","author":"Maurice Magnus","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Maurice_Magnus-20240818150100-Maurice_Magnus-20240818112700","replies":[]}}-->

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May I ask why this was reverted? Gregorcollins (talk) 23:44, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240910234400","author":"Gregorcollins","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Gregorcollins-20240910234400-re:_james_rosebush_omission_from_boston_univ_page","replies":["c-Deor-20240910235800-Gregorcollins-20240910234400"]}}-->

@Gregorcollins: As I explained in my edit summary, the edit provided incorrect information about him: he was not the White House Chief of Staff. His position as a Reagan advisor doesn't seem important enough to mention, as compared with the positions held by the other people mentioned in that paragraph. Moreover, the inclusion was not supported by the reference it preceded. Deor (talk) 23:58, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240910235800","author":"Deor","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Deor-20240910235800-Gregorcollins-20240910234400","replies":[]}}-->

Thanks for your reversion of my addition of the "Prometheus" Trilobite to the "vagina dentata" article. After a bit of research, I found an academic paper that discusses the feminist viewpoints portrayed in "Prometheus." It contains the following sentence: "In Prometheus, the Trilobite uses its many arms to draw the engineer into its vagina dentata where he is suffocated." None of that lame fandom "mouth" nonsense! So, I undid your reversion and added the Trilobite back in with this new reference. Please let me know if this entry is acceptable now. Beadbop (talk) 15:04, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240911150400","author":"Beadbop","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Beadbop-20240911150400-Vagina_dentata","replies":["c-Deor-20240911152300-Beadbop-20240911150400"]}}-->

I made a few tweaks, but it looks OK to me. Deor (talk) 15:23, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240911152300","author":"Deor","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Deor-20240911152300-Beadbop-20240911150400","replies":["c-Beadbop-20240911154000-Deor-20240911152300"]}}-->

Since your reply, I also made a couple more tweaks to the reference section. All should be well now.

p.s. The academic paper I cited even has a photo of the Trilobite in Fig. 2, with the caption "The alien, Trilobite, and its representation of female anatomy and the vagina dentata, drawing inspiration from the octopus (Scott 2012)(©Twentieth Century Fox).

I love learning new things every day!  :) Beadbop (talk) 15:40, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240911154000","author":"Beadbop","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Beadbop-20240911154000-Deor-20240911152300","replies":[]}}-->

Hello, I've seen this document [File:Claude Houghton, c. 1948.jpg] and I am pretty sure this is not a 1948 photograph. Hope to find an earlier source in order to share it on commons. Yours, Marc-AntoineV (talk) 11:32, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240922113200","author":"Marc-AntoineV","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Marc-AntoineV-20240922113200-Claude_Houghton_photo_portrait","replies":[]}}-->

And you removed 1609 of them not so stray at Kakanui Range ChaseKiwi (talk) 01:48, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240924014800","author":"ChaseKiwi","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-ChaseKiwi-20240924014800-Edit_explained_as_rm_stray_character","replies":["c-Deor-20240924115100-ChaseKiwi-20240924014800"]}}-->

@ChaseKiwi: Sorry about that; I must have misclicked. I've redone the edit properly. Deor (talk) 11:51, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240924115100","author":"Deor","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Deor-20240924115100-ChaseKiwi-20240924014800","replies":["c-ChaseKiwi-20240924174500-Deor-20240924115100"]}}-->

Better detective work than my eyeball there. ChaseKiwi (talk) 17:45, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240924174500","author":"ChaseKiwi","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-ChaseKiwi-20240924174500-Deor-20240924115100","replies":[]}}-->

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