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I submitted a draft for a company by the name of Legion Platforms, which was declined twice. Is the only reason for the decline because of sources that are unreliable? Or are there other reasons? Prestigiousss (talk) 02:07, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241029020700","author":"Prestigiousss","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Prestigiousss-20241029020700-Review_on_Draft:Legion_Platforms","replies":["c-DoubleGrazing-20241029061700-Prestigiousss-20241029020700"]}}-->

@Prestigiousss: that's a pretty major shortcoming. User-generated sources are not considered reliable, therefore they cannot verify the information in the Draft:Legion Platforms draft, therefore there is also no evidence of notability. Verifiability and notability are the two cornerstones of any article, and without them, there's nothing there to build upon. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 06:17, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241029061700","author":"DoubleGrazing","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-DoubleGrazing-20241029061700-Prestigiousss-20241029020700","replies":["c-Prestigiousss-20241029203300-DoubleGrazing-20241029061700"]}}-->

I guess you're right. Do you want sources in this article to be from official sources is what you're saying? Prestigiousss (talk) 20:33, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241029203300","author":"Prestigiousss","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Prestigiousss-20241029203300-DoubleGrazing-20241029061700","replies":[]}}-->

Hello,

I wanted to ask you if I can somehow link to the Italian version on en.wikipedia.org, considering that it is an international festival but takes place in Italy, and if it counts as qualifying in terms of publication. Then I wanted to ask you if I am forced to use international journalistic references or if I can also mention Italian national newspapers. Thank you very much. Feedback-PA (talk) 09:57, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241029095700","author":"Feedback-PA","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Feedback-PA-20241029095700-Draft:Cous_Cous_Fest_Questions","replies":["c-DoubleGrazing-20241029100800-Feedback-PA-20241029095700"]}}-->

Hi @Feedback-PA: you can use Italian and other non-English sources, as long as they otherwise meet our requirements in terms of reliability etc.

This draft needs to be published in the main encyclopaedia, before it can be linked to the other language versions, such as the one on the Italian Wikipedia.

You cannot use the Italian Wikipedia article as a source for this one (if that's what you were asking), but if it has sources that would be useful here, you can cite them directly in this draft.

Hope this helps, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 10:08, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241029100800","author":"DoubleGrazing","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-DoubleGrazing-20241029100800-Feedback-PA-20241029095700","replies":["c-Feedback-PA-20241105100000-DoubleGrazing-20241029100800"]}}-->

Thank you @DoubleGrazing. I made the additions by inserting a few national and international newspapers. Where I found the source in English, I preferred that. Also in some citations, considering that the articles are often long, I inserted a translated snippet. I have sent for revision. Feedback-PA (talk) 10:00, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241105100000","author":"Feedback-PA","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Feedback-PA-20241105100000-DoubleGrazing-20241029100800","replies":[]}}-->

Greetings, DoubleGrazing I would like to request you to Please Review this Draft:Ankit Baiyanpuria. Thank You Regards AstuteFlicker (talk) 18:47, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241029184700","author":"AstuteFlicker","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-AstuteFlicker-20241029184700-Could_you_Please_Review_this_Draft","replies":["c-DoubleGrazing-20241029185300-AstuteFlicker-20241029184700"]}}-->

Sorry @AstuteFlicker, I don't do on-demand reviews (unless, maybe, the subject interests me particularly, which this one doesn't). Was there a reason why you asked me especially? -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 18:53, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241029185300","author":"DoubleGrazing","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-DoubleGrazing-20241029185300-AstuteFlicker-20241029184700","replies":["c-AstuteFlicker-20241029190200-DoubleGrazing-20241029185300"]}}-->

There wasn’t any particular specific reason it’s just that in the past you have reviewed many of my drafts so I thought perhaps you could review this too although they weren’t accepted as I was new at point that time and didn’t had much knowledge at that point of time even now also I am not very much knowledgeable but I am continuously trying to learn. Anyways, I understand what you want to say. Thank You Regards AstuteFlicker (talk) 19:02, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241029190200","author":"AstuteFlicker","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-AstuteFlicker-20241029190200-DoubleGrazing-20241029185300","replies":["c-DoubleGrazing-20241029192100-AstuteFlicker-20241029190200"]}}-->

Okay, no worries, @AstuteFlicker. Good luck with the draft, and happy editing! :) -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 19:21, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241029192100","author":"DoubleGrazing","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-DoubleGrazing-20241029192100-AstuteFlicker-20241029190200","replies":[]}}-->

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Hi there, I just posted a topic on my talk page about getting assistance with my page before I submit it. I wanted to share my sandbox but I'm not sure how? Can you help? Celia --Celia Hurwitz (talk) 22:41, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241031224100","author":"Celia Hurwitz","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Celia_Hurwitz-20241031224100-Question_from_Celia_Hurwitz_(22:41,_31_October_2024)","replies":["c-DoubleGrazing-20241101064600-Celia_Hurwitz-20241031224100"]}}-->

Hi @Celia Hurwitz, what do you mean by "share my sandbox"? Did you mean you're finished editing the content of User:Celia Hurwitz/sandbox and would like to submit it for pre-publication review? If so, then you just click on that blue 'submit' button. Or if your question was about something else, please could you clarify a bit? Thanks, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 06:46, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241101064600","author":"DoubleGrazing","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-DoubleGrazing-20241101064600-Celia_Hurwitz-20241031224100","replies":[]}}-->

Welcome, welcome, welcome DoubleGrazing! I'm glad that you are joining the November 2024 drive! Please, have a cup of WikiTea, and go cite some articles.

Cielquiparle (talk) 12:09, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241101120900","author":"Cielquiparle","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Cielquiparle-20241101120900-Welcome_to_the_drive!","replies":[]}}-->

Hello,

Did you contest my CSD nomination for this draft or was it an edit conflict of some kind? I was just checking my CSD log and landed on this draft. Regards. Hitro talk 18:21, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241103182100","author":"HitroMilanese","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-HitroMilanese-20241103182100-Draft:Bankiros.ru","replies":["c-DoubleGrazing-20241103193500-HitroMilanese-20241103182100"],"displayName":"Hitro"}}-->

Hi @HitroMilanese: that's odd, I've no idea what happened there. Defo didn't (knowingly, at least!) contest your speedy. By all means, have at it! :) -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 19:35, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241103193500","author":"DoubleGrazing","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-DoubleGrazing-20241103193500-HitroMilanese-20241103182100","replies":[]}}-->

On your election as a new admin! Hawkeye7 (discuss) 19:53, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241104195300","author":"Hawkeye7","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Hawkeye7-20241104195300-Congratulations","replies":["c-Bri-20241104201000-Hawkeye7-20241104195300","c-DoubleGrazing-20241105091100-Hawkeye7-20241104195300"]}}-->

Thanks for proving that the new Admin elections process works! Enjoy the shirt. ☆ Bri (talk) 20:10, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241104201000","author":"Bri","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Bri-20241104201000-Hawkeye7-20241104195300","replies":["c-Saqib-20241104210100-Bri-20241104201000"]}}-->

Congratulations on your well-deserved admin role! Your dedication at AFC and AFD has been invaluable and I hope you continue your good work in those areas despite the new responsibilities. — Saqib (talk I contribs) 21:01, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241104210100","author":"Saqib","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Saqib-20241104210100-Bri-20241104201000","replies":["c-Timtrent-20241104235600-Saqib-20241104210100"]}}-->

Not just congrats, but good luck. You enter a whole new world, not all of which will be pleasing to you 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 23:56, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241104235600","author":"Timtrent","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Timtrent-20241104235600-Saqib-20241104210100","replies":["c-Qcne-20241105085000-Timtrent-20241104235600"],"displayName":"FiddleTimtrent"}}-->

Congratulations @DoubleGrazing - genuinely thrilled to see you as an Admin. You've been great at AfC and I've modelled a lot of my own AfC behaviour - as a fairly new reviewer - on you, @Timtrent, and @Theroadislong. You (all of you!) are great role models. Qcne (talk) 08:50, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241105085000","author":"Qcne","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Qcne-20241105085000-Timtrent-20241104235600","replies":["c-Theroadislong-20241105085700-Qcne-20241105085000"]}}-->

Your new position came as a very pleasant surprise, I must pay more attention in future, congratulations... you will do a GREAT job with the bucket. Theroadislong (talk) 08:57, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241105085700","author":"Theroadislong","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Theroadislong-20241105085700-Qcne-20241105085000","replies":[]}}-->

Thanks for the congratulations and kind words, everyone, jointly and severally. I have woken up this morning to positive, if somewhat surprising, election results. (Curious to see what news tomorrow morning brings...) Bear with me as I try to adjust to the new order of things, and don't hesitate to tell me when (not if) I get things wrong; the learning curve starts here! :) Best, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:11, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241105091100","author":"DoubleGrazing","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-DoubleGrazing-20241105091100-Hawkeye7-20241104195300","replies":["c-Asilvering-20241105161200-DoubleGrazing-20241105091100","c-0xDeadbeef-20241106044100-DoubleGrazing-20241105091100"]}}-->

Congrats! Excited to have the CSD workload suddenly cut by about 1/5. Please be easy on the G11s for the sake of the foolish and wayward. But also, you have NO idea how much of a workout your "promotional username, promotional edits" blockhammer arm is about to get. Do drop by unblock appeals every so often to help clean up the mess you make by cleaning up the mess. -- asilvering (talk) 16:12, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241105161200","author":"Asilvering","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Asilvering-20241105161200-DoubleGrazing-20241105091100","replies":["c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20241105161500-Asilvering-20241105161200","c-DoubleGrazing-20241105162100-Asilvering-20241105161200"]}}-->

There's a userscript for that! I think it's User:Mr. Stradivarius/gadgets/SpamUserPage.js. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 16:15, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241105161500","author":"ScottishFinnishRadish","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20241105161500-Asilvering-20241105161200","replies":["c-Asilvering-20241105161800-ScottishFinnishRadish-20241105161500"]}}-->

@ScottishFinnishRadish That's the U5-to-block one, but DG is going to be doing G11-to-block a lot, if my experience with actioning their G11s is anything to go by. -- asilvering (talk) 16:18, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241105161800","author":"Asilvering","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Asilvering-20241105161800-ScottishFinnishRadish-20241105161500","replies":["c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20241105162100-Asilvering-20241105161800"]}}-->

I use it for G11 to block. It has a whole selection setup for what you need, but it defaults to G11. I don't see another script I have installed that would cover that, so I'm pretty sure that's the one. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 16:21, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241105162100","author":"ScottishFinnishRadish","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20241105162100-Asilvering-20241105161800","replies":["c-Asilvering-20241105162800-ScottishFinnishRadish-20241105162100"]}}-->

But only works in userspace, right? DG finds us all the spam drafts while doing AfC reviews. -- asilvering (talk) 16:28, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241105162800","author":"Asilvering","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Asilvering-20241105162800-ScottishFinnishRadish-20241105162100","replies":["c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20241105163000-Asilvering-20241105162800"]}}-->

Ah, gotcha. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 16:30, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241105163000","author":"ScottishFinnishRadish","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-ScottishFinnishRadish-20241105163000-Asilvering-20241105162800","replies":[]}}-->

Make a mess? Who, me?? < eye roll >

Seriously though, no matter the outcome of this election, I was already resolved to throttle my G11 inclinations somewhat. The discussion on my nom page served its purpose. I'll let others request them instead, so I can decline them while tut-tutting disapprovingly. (Some people are just so CSD-trigger-happy...) -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 16:21, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241105162100","author":"DoubleGrazing","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-DoubleGrazing-20241105162100-Asilvering-20241105161200","replies":[]}}-->

Congrats, and have fun wielding the mop! 0xDeadbeef→∞ (talk to me) 04:41, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241106044100","author":"0xDeadbeef","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-0xDeadbeef-20241106044100-DoubleGrazing-20241105091100","replies":["c-DoubleGrazing-20241106063300-0xDeadbeef-20241106044100"],"displayName":"Deadbeef"}}-->

Thanks. You realise this is all your fault, right? ;) DoubleGrazing (talk) 06:33, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241106063300","author":"DoubleGrazing","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-DoubleGrazing-20241106063300-0xDeadbeef-20241106044100","replies":["c-0xDeadbeef-20241107095000-DoubleGrazing-20241106063300"]}}-->

I plead guilty. 0xDeadbeef→∞ (talk to me) 09:50, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241107095000","author":"0xDeadbeef","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-0xDeadbeef-20241107095000-DoubleGrazing-20241106063300","replies":[],"displayName":"Deadbeef"}}-->

I may not be able to offer you the baton, but I hope you can savour these bâtonnets as you study all the new admin buttons! Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 21:47, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241104214700","author":"Significa liberdade","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Significa_liberdade-20241104214700-New_Admin_B\u00e2tonnets","replies":["c-DoubleGrazing-20241105091400-Significa_liberdade-20241104214700"],"displayName":"Significa liberdade (she\/her)"}}-->

Thanks @Significa liberdade; I was wondering how the baton issue will be resolved. :) Can we just keep splintering the bits into smaller and smaller fragments? Or is it a magic baton that automatically replenishes itself? Something to ponder... -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:14, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241105091400","author":"DoubleGrazing","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-DoubleGrazing-20241105091400-Significa_liberdade-20241104214700","replies":["c-Bonadea-20241105121100-DoubleGrazing-20241105091400","c-Significa_liberdade-20241105154100-DoubleGrazing-20241105091400"]}}-->

And what is the relationship between the baton and the mop? Congratulations, I'm very pleased to see you were elected! --bonadea contributions talk 12:11, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241105121100","author":"Bonadea","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Bonadea-20241105121100-DoubleGrazing-20241105091400","replies":["c-DoubleGrazing-20241105161000-Bonadea-20241105121100"]}}-->

@Bonadea: I gather it's a stick with which noob admins can beat themselves upon the head when they do something silly.

And thanks. :) -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 16:10, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241105161000","author":"DoubleGrazing","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-DoubleGrazing-20241105161000-Bonadea-20241105121100","replies":[]}}-->

DoubleGrazing: The full baton will be making its rounds, and the new admins will basically play hot potato with it as it makes it down the list. I passed it off to Queen of Hearts yesterday. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 15:41, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241105154100","author":"Significa liberdade","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Significa_liberdade-20241105154100-DoubleGrazing-20241105091400","replies":["c-DoubleGrazing-20241105160600-Significa_liberdade-20241105154100"],"displayName":"Significa liberdade (she\/her)"}}-->

@Significa liberdade: aha! I'm glad to see this important aspect has been carefully thought through. :) -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 16:06, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241105160600","author":"DoubleGrazing","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-DoubleGrazing-20241105160600-Significa_liberdade-20241105154100","replies":[]}}-->

Congrats on winning the adminship. Just a little something to sweeten the palate. Wikibear47 (talk) 19:00, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241105190000","author":"Wikibear47","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Wikibear47-20241105190000-A_brownie_for_you!","replies":[]}}-->

How to create my own page --Bishes78 (talk) 10:26, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241106102600","author":"Bishes78","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Bishes78-20241106102600-Question_from_Bishes78_(10:26,_6_November_2024)","replies":["c-DoubleGrazing-20241106105200-Bishes78-20241106102600"]}}-->

Hi @Bishes78: depends on what you mean by "[your] own page"?

• If you mean your 'user page' (your Wikipedia home page, if you like), User:Bishes78, I can see you've just done this. You may want to read the guidance at WP:UP which tells you what you can and can't put on that page.
• If you mean you want to publish a Wikipedia article about yourself, then please don't; the reasons why we very strongly discourage this are explained at WP:AUTOBIO.
• And finally, if you mean that you want to create a new article, then go to WP:YFA which tells you pretty much everything you need to get started.

HTH, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 10:52, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241106105200","author":"DoubleGrazing","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-DoubleGrazing-20241106105200-Bishes78-20241106102600","replies":[]}}-->

The axe of responsibility

Shiny new tools might be used to mete out justice, mercy or a dose of reality. Let us commit to not losing our cool when using them. Our only armor is the entire community's trust. We wear it for each other, each new contributor, and each new generation to come. May you ever be the community's champion. BusterD (talk) 14:21, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241106142100","author":"BusterD","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-BusterD-20241106142100-\"He_who_does_not_keep_peace_shall_lose_his_hand.\"","replies":["c-DoubleGrazing-20241106144000-BusterD-20241106142100"]}}-->

Erm... thanks (I think). Poetic.

I did a G11, just to see if the world would go up in a massive mushroom cloud. It didn't. I'll work on that. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 14:40, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241106144000","author":"DoubleGrazing","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-DoubleGrazing-20241106144000-BusterD-20241106142100","replies":["c-BusterD-20241106145900-DoubleGrazing-20241106144000"]}}-->

I've given these out to most new admins in the last few years. I want people to know how serious it can get. BTW, lately many of us old timers are gathered around the water coolers at ARB and admin recall. We are foolish. We need our eyes wide open for misbehavior, because imho we're about to be hit with extended dedicated disruption. Glad to have you aboard. Make some mistakes in this first year when you won't immediately be put up for recall. BOLD is still the watchword. And ask for help. BusterD (talk) 14:59, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241106145900","author":"BusterD","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-BusterD-20241106145900-DoubleGrazing-20241106144000","replies":["c-DoubleGrazing-20241106150300-BusterD-20241106145900"]}}-->

Appreciate that, thanks. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 15:03, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241106150300","author":"DoubleGrazing","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-DoubleGrazing-20241106150300-BusterD-20241106145900","replies":[]}}-->

	The new admin baton
	Congratulations on winning the election! Ahecht has passed the fabled baton to me and, and after a few minutes of basking in its glory, I am passing it on to you! Once you are done appreciating its splendour, do pass it to the next admin. Happing mopping!

– SD0001 (talk) 15:53, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241106155300","author":"SD0001","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-SD0001-20241106155300-A_baton_for_you!","replies":["c-SafariScribe-20241106190200-SD0001-20241106155300"]}}-->

@DoubleGrazing, a big congratulations to you. I have more to say than to write! Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 19:02, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241106190200","author":"SafariScribe","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-SafariScribe-20241106190200-SD0001-20241106155300","replies":[],"displayName":"Safari Scribe"}}-->

I just saw that you’re an admin now... congratulations! You may not remember me, but we crossed paths in AfC, and I was always struck by how thoughtful and fair your reviews were. Honestly, I can’t think of anyone more deserving. Well done. You definitely deserve this. Hitro talk 23:52, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241107235200","author":"HitroMilanese","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-HitroMilanese-20241107235200-Congrats!","replies":[],"displayName":"Hitro"}}-->

I will just piggyback on this message and add my congratulations here, I am sure you will do fine as an admin. 🍻 Cheers! --— Preceding unsigned comment added by Whpq (talk • contribs)

Thanks, both! :) --DoubleGrazing (talk) 06:20, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241108062000","author":"DoubleGrazing","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-DoubleGrazing-20241108062000-Congrats!","replies":[]}}-->

I wonder if you would mind taking the crown off 🤡, and, editor to editor, tell me clearly if I am being silly with Gerard Gertoux, please. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 19:45, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241108194500","author":"Timtrent","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Timtrent-20241108194500-Now_your_inauguration_has_settled,_doubtless_with_the_best_crowd_of_any_new_admi","replies":["c-DoubleGrazing-20241108200800-Timtrent-20241108194500"],"displayName":"FiddleTimtrent"}}-->

@Timtrent: haha, 'crown' indeed...

Mind if I look at this tomorrow? I'm just about to down tools for the night.

And I very much hope you're being silly. Never not be silly! -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 20:08, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241108200800","author":"DoubleGrazing","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-DoubleGrazing-20241108200800-Timtrent-20241108194500","replies":["c-Timtrent-20241108201500-DoubleGrazing-20241108200800"]}}-->

You mean there is no crown?

How ghastly! That has reinforced my decision not to become an admin!

Delaying until tomorrow is absolutely fine. All things here will be the better for thought. Or I think they will! 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 20:15, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241108201500","author":"Timtrent","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Timtrent-20241108201500-DoubleGrazing-20241108200800","replies":["c-DoubleGrazing-20241109093600-Timtrent-20241108201500"],"displayName":"FiddleTimtrent"}}-->

Morning @Timtrent,

It's certainly an interesting one, and with quite some wikihistory, too. I have no knowledge of, or interest in, this topic, so can't comment on how important etc. the subject is, and/or whether Wikipedia should have an article on it. But I don't think we should not have articles on controversial, fringe, downright bogus, or other unorthodox subjects; after all, we have plenty, like Erich von Däniken, and these can serve a valid encyclopaedic purpose.

FWIW, I think you were right to accept the draft; AfC obviously shouldn't be the censor or arbiter of what is an 'acceptable' subject, other than in the most obvious cases (hoaxes, spam, etc.). This one is far from obvious, and the sources look on the surface at least pretty convincing, so it was right IMO to release it into the wild for the community to decide its fate.

At least, that's what I would say, if this were the first attempt at this subject. I suppose one could conversely argue that given the earlier attempts, leading to the title being salted, even, it has had its chances in the wild, and shouldn't be recreated, and re-litigated at AfD, ad infinitum. But in a way, since the author did recreate it, they kind of forced AfC's hand.

Having accepted it, if you then took enough interest in it to try to improve the article, and ultimately concluded that it didn't quite have the substance and/or merit that you previously thought, and moved an AfD on it, I can't see how that would be anything other than a sensible thing to do, and much more reasonable than leaving it for a single NPP reviewer to assess. Let's see how that discussion goes; early doors, it seems to be heading for another delete. If that's how it closes, the salt should probably be reapplied, possibly to the draft space also?

Interesting to note that the first two AfDs were pretty straightforwardly consensual, whereas the 3rd generated a lot of discussion, and !votes either way (albeit maybe some from possible SPAs/socks).

I'm not sure if any of this helps at all, but these are my two pennies' worth (and yes, I'm aware I'm rounding up). -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:36, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241109093600","author":"DoubleGrazing","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-DoubleGrazing-20241109093600-Timtrent-20241108201500","replies":[]}}-->