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details arguments that are commonly seen in deletion discussions that have been identified as generally unsound and unconvincing. These are arguments that...

WP:AVOIDWP:AVOID Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid may refer to: Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid on discussion pages Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in adminship discussions...

As stated in Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions, the AfD process is designed to solicit discussion. Arguing back and forth on positions...

arguments that can make or break a case. Inclusion of material can hinge on what existing policies and guidelines allow for. Therefore, all arguments...

Wikipedia talk:Schools:archives). This page is a list of commonly used arguments for or against schools. This is not meant as a debate, but as a convenient...

is important to use the strongest arguments in deletion discussions for images and other files. Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions provides...

supplemented with some more arguments. There is a common misconception that deletion review is "AfD Round 2." This leads to many arguments being made on the basis...

Arguments and discussions in WP:AFD, article talk pages, or really pretty much anywhere there is a discussion about the content or application of any...

failure to meet these suggested requirements is frequently used as an argument to delete said article on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion. Lack of notability...

can harm your credibility in the process. Wikipedia:List of policies to cite in deletion debates Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions...

deletion debates, while 0005 highlights their tendency to get into long arguments on talk pages. However, I don't agree with 0005 when they say that the...

these to face various arguments to be kept or deleted, regardless of what the guidelines state. In addition to the common arguments to avoid in deletion...

Similar to Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions and Arguments to avoid in adminship discussions, this page discusses the commonly made fallacies...

this argument does, however, is to seek to preempt perfectly valid arguments from analogy. In fact, precedent and analogy are perfectly good arguments to...

advice remains: "proof by repetition" is invalid, and repeating the same arguments does not help to achieve a consensus. First law of holes When you find...

indispensability arguments can be found here and here. Another idea would be to include the difference between weak and strong indispensability arguments mentioned...

is not a substitute for discsusion. Consensus is weighted based off of arguments grounded in policy, not based on votes. Generally unreliable because the...

someone's keep or delete argument by simply referring them to this essay is not encouraged. (For a similar issue, see Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion...

that the use of these arguments does not indicate that a topic is non-notable. Revolutionary idea: The trouble with this argument is that it always includes...

comments to the Arguments page and let them be, no muss no fuss. Whoever wants to can engage them there. The rest of us mostly ignore the Arguments page and...

deletion/Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions (3rd nomination) or Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion...

Dysfunction (talk) 19:49, 14 March 2026 (UTC) Talk:Cantor's diagonal argument/Arguments (edit | subject | history | links | watch | logs)​ The page is a forum...

In addition to the common arguments to avoid in deletion discussions, the following is a list of arguments that are not recommended when participating...

necessary. The whole "Arguments" page can be locked to prevent it from further being a place to "argue" (which of Flcelloguy's above arguments I agree with) but...

should be labelled "list of would-be scientific arguments for..." or some such, since the actual main arguments used are predicated on the inerrancy of the...

bringing up the same old tired arguments after laying low for a few months (I have noticed that some very old arguments are popping into circulation again...

their minds. Some people may claim that the Arguments page prevents vandalism to the article or arguments on the main Talk page. The histories of each...

editors are expected to base their arguments as to content upon what can be verified—without introducing their own arguments, analyses, hypotheses, and conclusions—from...

used 1.) by other people, 2.) to criticize science arguments, and 3.) to criticize political arguments. Sanguinity 21:25, 8 September 2006 (UTC) Myers did...

this matter." "I'm right, you're wrong." "My way or the highway." Such arguments do not help reach an agreement in any way. They are only one person bullying...

UtherSRG (talk) 12:27, 1 December 2005 (UTC) Keep, possibly rename to cover arguments both for and against - Bigfoot is currently 56k, and needs a chunk sloughed...

disambiguation page between {{arguments}} be a sensible idea? Keφr (talk) 06:40, 12 September 2012 (UTC) Because there are multiple Arguments to Avoid essays (that...

deletion/Talk:Jyllands-Posten Muhammad cartoons controversy/Arguments for a similar discussion over an arguments subpage I created in early 2006. It's since been...

pretty convincing argument that 0.999... ≠ 1! Those who say otherwise are giving arguments I can't understand"(Talk:0.999.../Arguments/FAQ) sound like the...

clown will eat me 04:59, 5 April 2007 (UTC) Tax protester conspiracy arguments (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)...

user appears to be acting in bad faith. If these truly are Matt Ridley's arguments (something I tend to doubt), it can be discussed in the Matt Ridley article...

logical argument contradicting the genetic probability of homosexuality. It's easy to see what's going on here. This person wants to censor any arguments that...

without hearing oral arguments.) Regardless, the image provides a visualisation of the atmosphere and environment in which the oral arguments of Hyatt III took...

deletion/Talk:0.999.../Arguments Miscellany for deletion/Talk:0.999.../Arguments/FAQ Miscellany for deletion/Talk:0.999.../Arguments (2nd nomination) Miscellany...

sufficient information to understand the arguments being presented in the publication. They might present the argument in a more accessible way than the original...

(non-admin closure) MassiveYR ♠ 13:07, 15 September 2017 (UTC) Liberalized Arguments (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)...

How do you turn this on (talk) 15:30, 22 October 2008 (UTC) Speedy keep. The "arguments to avoid" essay is a valuable adjunct to WP policies such as WP:NOT and...

editors who respond to your arguments does not add to the value of the discussion but instead takes away from it. Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions...

Either transwiki to WikiBooks/Theology or dump into Talk:Cosmological argument for merciless editing. --Pjacobi 20:35, 2005 Feb 15 (UTC) weak keep. I...

the table built in phase 1 and called, with the arguments supplied to the template and the arguments supplied to {{#invoke:}} (more on which later). The...

User:Jonund has presented arguments why he thinks it is relevant. They have been met with a dogged refusal to engage the arguments or answer concrete questions...

Hall problem/Arguments (edit | subject | history | links | watch | logs)​ This is a talk subpage dedicated entirely to entertaining arguments about the answer...

Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions. (non-admin closure) Schützenpanzer (Talk) 14:42, 9 February 2026 (UTC) Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid...

political arguments of gun politics in the United States is a standalone topic that centers around the two documented and cited types of arguments of gun...

essay. This could be because they've seen other editors make similar arguments about actual policy and can't even begin to fathom the labyrinthine depths...

are many "arguments from love" in the literature. The important thing to consider, which the Google wavers have not, is what those arguments from love...

the wagons and re-run the same arguments. For that reason, I submit that the rough consensus based upon the arguments presented is that this article should...

debates}}: sidebar for pages on deletion topics. {{Arguments}}: sidebar for pages with arguments to avoid and make in discussions, including deletion...

like the argument from beauty, it could be kept. I wonder if might not be smarter to Merge this with the argument from beauty or similar arguments? However...

article gives arguments for and against that view. All arguments depend on premises that may or may not be true, but that does not make the argument invalid...

many obvious arguments as I could find from the main Talk page to here. The idea is that it's better to give some outlet for these arguments so that they...

report on "The Truth About Frivolous Tax Arguments", the Anti Defamation League handbook of "Idiot Legal Arguments", the Quatloos sections on Tax Protesters...

VisualEditor, its first unnamed argument must be the module's name, the second the function name, and all arguments passed to the module can be specified...

keep arguments address the OR charge successfully, because I think the OR charge is a misguided interpretation of WP:OR. But none of the keep arguments address...

Making explicit concessions also shows good faith. Often in the course of arguments we encounter valid counterarguments. Rather than be antagonistic or adversarial...

is listed in the Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions. Even worse, some editors claim this type of argument is supported in policy at WP:NEXIST...

and that is enough. There were good arguments to keep, and good arguments to merge or delete, and the keep arguments were more numerous and stronger. Robert...

closure) * Pppery * it has begun... 19:06, 2 April 2023 (UTC) Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions (edit | talk | history | links | watch...

"Incompatible-properties argument" is a neologism taken from cause-related blog discussions stemming from a classification of arguments in one author's book...

such that position A gets to state its main arguments, then position B gets to state its main arguments, with neither being in the face of either. Now...

of those things; rather, it consists primarily of arguments for evolution, as opposed to arguments from evolution. As such, it seems to duplicate various...

"separate argument from fallacy" or the like; in other words, this is a combination of words that happens to occur while talking about arguments. It is not...

Category:Arguments against the existence of God - (10) - Existence of God; Argument from free will; Guillaume's Illogical Argument; Argument from inconsistent...

"re-think" arguments and lines of thinking for commonly-encountered discussions It provides a single location for references (if any) to support the argument It...

Arguments based on dislikes are covered in several essays: Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions#I don't like it Wikipedia:Arguments to...

precedent. Ignoring precedent, intentionally or not, leads to repeating old arguments, which can frustrate everyone. When participating in a discussion, you...

The policy on arguments for/against existence of God is that each significant argument has its own article, showing what the argument is and what the...

guideline is essentially containing arguments for keep. this essay contains the most common weak keep or delete arguments and provides guidance especially...

Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions § What about article X? (WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS), why editors should avoid deletion discussion arguments bsaed...

21 February 2015 (UTC) List of courts which publish audio or video of arguments (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)...

Thank you for you understanding. I dont go around and delete atheist arguments just because I dont like them. Please let me finish putting it together...

appropriate channel. Keep adding or referring to increasingly unrelated diffs, arguments, past discussions, WikiProjects, articles, and experts. Call your friends...

"Bodies in argumentation" appears nowhere outside of Wikipedia). No objection to the creation of articles on Kevin DeLuca or Unruly Arguments if they merit...

debates}}: sidebar for pages on deletion topics. {{Arguments}}: sidebar for pages with arguments to avoid and make in discussions, including deletion...

Arguments based on dislikes are covered in several essays: Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions#I don't like it Wikipedia:Arguments to...

involved) put together the following list putting forward various arguments and counter-arguments. "Summaries" were originally added to each for/against pair...

Kevin (talk) 23:47, 29 November 2009 (UTC) List of pro and anti-warez arguments (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)...

an article in WP:AFD. Failure to read the source can lead to unclear arguments and frustration among those involved in the discussion. Never assume a...

Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions discourages. The WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS shortcut leads to another section in the essay Wikipedia:Arguments to...

Wikipedia:Arguments to make in deletion discussions and Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions to understand what arguments will work and...

There are times on Wikipedia where you won't win the argument. Arguments where no matter how much you try to convince others to see it your way, you won't...

All editors are encouraged to add arguments showing that Wikipedia is not failing. The contest is between arguments, not people; we share a common goal...

16 August 2006 (UTC) Delete POV fork of Same-sex_marriage#Religious_arguments. FeloniousMonk 23:07, 16 August 2006 (UTC) Delete as POV fork... Felonious...

which, when invoked at the proper moment, will defeat your opponents in arguments. Editors should not mindlessly invoke various Wikipedia guidelines and...

This is intended as a quick reference to various pages that list arguments to avoid and other precedents. It is also intended as a guide to getting the...

equally important. However, reasonable arguments are always welcome. The following are some of the common arguments in deletion discussions: Verifiability:...

your actual arguments have already been stated on the page, do not fear to repeat them in a slightly different form. CAPITALISING YOUR ARGUMENT, bolding...

discussion, please keep in mind that notability is not a matter of opinion. Arguments for keeping the article should be supported by reasonable evidence such...

of the most important arguments in the philosophy of mathematics - according to some, the only good non-question-begging argument at all for platonism...

01:58, 1 April 2015 (UTC) Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions (2nd nomination) (edit | talk | history...

gave Quine's argument its first detailed formulation, although he later expressed disagreement with some of the central aspects of the argument. Many counterarguments...

repeating the same argument over and over again, without persuading people. If your arguments are rejected, bring better arguments, don't simply repeat...

Wikipedia:Five pillars. Consensus is determined by the quality of the arguments given on the various sides of an issue, as viewed through the lens of...

fear that an article is being unfairly nominated for deletion, their arguments will carry more weight if they are framed in the notability guidelines...

article to address the issue. See Wikipedia:Arguments to make in deletion discussions for more possible arguments to make your case. The following are a list...

between Walton's list of problematic arguments and Wikipedia's list of deprecated AfD arguments, e.g. Walton's "Argument from Analogy" corresponds to WP:OTHER...

the implication such arguments are inherently invalid. However, the second line of the essay is "These "other stuff exists" arguments can be valid or invalid"...

flat is too strong to be objective. Your arguments against the flat Earth theory so resemble the arguments of editor X that you must be their sockpuppet...

reasoning of arguments can be found on this page's discussion page. All new discussion should be directed to this page's discussion page, where arguments and suggested...

debates than such rambling essays illuminate. Equity involves keeping one's arguments to a manageable size. This helps to ensure that other editors will read...

gives the reader no resources to check out the arguments for themselves, and in philosophy it's the argument that counts, not that some, or most, or all...

essay on why most arguments against WP's house style are wrong-headed WP:Common-style fallacy – essay on why the rest of the arguments against WP's house...

without resorting to telling people to shut up and making unsubstantiated arguments. Not only is that a low average number of hits for the past three months...

determined through consensus. Consensus is ascertained by the quality of the arguments given, as viewed through the lens of Wikipedia policy. By basing your...

consensus, usually when those opposing a proposal have few if any substantive arguments with which to support their position, and often when it appears that consensus...

argument against #2 is dubious given that it could plausibly appear in the "arguments for" section with very little rewording. Anyway, there's nothing here...

best to always assume good faith among your fellow editors. Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions Wikipedia:Don't lie Wikipedia:Honesty...

significant. The pro-notability arguments were quite strong (see for example Christopher Connor and Jayjg). The arguments raised on the delete side generally...

each other. Common features include: New arguments unrelated to the matter at hand Already-discussed arguments Giant paragraphs that never really come...

both premises and the conclusion. As far as titles go, I found several arguments in this discussion that I'll address. The two I found most convincing...

NPOV arguments are stronger than style-based arguments. Similarly, an argument relating to the core concept of a policy is stronger than an argument relating...

AFD discussion itself. Such discussions may be perceived as ad hominem arguments at AFD per WP:ATTP, shame the nominator, become personal attacks, or shift...

bucket in comparison. Also, "argument from evolution" is vague enough for numerous arguments to all claim to be the argument from evolution, and that's...

Arguments based on dislikes are covered in several essays: Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions#I don't like it Wikipedia:Arguments to...

teaches students how to craft and evaluate arguments in STEM contexts, focusing on four central argument types: Fact, Definition, Value, and Policy....

Arguments based on dislikes are covered in several essays: Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions#I don't like it Wikipedia:Arguments to...

A number of Wikipedia articles contain pro and con lists: lists of arguments for and against some particular contention or position. These take several...

attended Tech University have no business editing State University." These arguments are perhaps superficially appealing, but fundamentally mistaken. The best...

hominem arguments, or logical fallacies. Lacks support from uninvolved editors. Includes shrill rhetoric instead of logical or policy oriented arguments. If...

evaluating the arguments, not those where the close was reasonable in view of the arguments presented, however much you disagree with those arguments. Closes...

page.‎ The result was delete. Many of the "keep" arguments are cogent and well-researched arguments for keeping our German American article (those from...

continued Thursday, nearly around the clock. By early Friday, it seemed the arguments for the removal of spoiler warnings outnumbered those against. An unusually...

editors counter valid arguments to Keep by citing the redirect WP:HARMLESS, which is taken from the essay Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions...

forward reliable sources to support his arguments, but you will not see that in Marshal's edits and arguments. I will present that evidence below. Article...

thoughtful arguments to support notability issues within college football. This essay currently does not reflect many of the changes and arguments that rose...

something like: A = N * R where: A = argument strength/credibility N = number of relevant sources supporting the argument R = the reliability of the sources...

serious business, but it's not life or death. Sometimes we see some heated arguments, with some editors even making ad hominem attacks. This can happen anywhere:...

investigations of historical documents and its unique culture. While both arguments are valid, they lack a neutral viewpoint and strictly conforming to either...

that you understand their arguments and are willing to present them in a disinterested way. It is a great way to end an argument in real life, and it can...

Editors are drawn away from editing to instead engage in protracted arguments, and many editors avoid deletion discussions leaving only the battle-hardened...

structure of statements and arguments, both through the study of formal systems of inference and through the study of arguments in natural language. The...

policy sufficiently to know what arguments are to be excluded as irrelevant. If the consensus of reasonable arguments is opposite to the closer's view...

The Pokémon test is an argument that was made at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion, before specific fictional Pokémon species were merged into lists of Pokémon...

not mean that such editors' arguments should be dismissed as arising from a conflict of interest. Beware of using the argument of "vested interest" in content...

Sometimes in discussions on Wikipedia, one editor's argument may be given more weight over another simply because one has more edits on Wikipedia or one...

any reason, but be aware that the following arguments have historically not garnered much support: Arguments about a story relating to a particular geographic...

Maxwell to wonder why Rambot might have set off such a reaction. Despite arguments that editing activity on Wikipedia has slowed down overall, the downward...

discussions we get into as adults can turn into exactly the same sequence of arguments. It is the statement of rationale, the explanation of opinion, and most...

Wikipedia:Run-of-the-mill Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions § Subjective importance Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid on discussion pages § Subjective...

- I had many many arguments. However, in he last 8 months or so since my last block, no arguments. I feel I've dealt with arguments recently by avoiding...

canvassing, as long as your notification is neutrally worded. Common arguments seen in discussion include TOOSOON, PROMOTIONAL, NOTABILITY IS NOT INHERITED...

WP:EVERYTHING essay noted above states that the purpose of the "everything" argument "is to prevent Wikipedia from becoming unmaintainable." This is a worthwhile...

arguments, the history of how they came about, the objections of those who disagree, and existing policies and guidelines. The quality of an argument...

whatever filled up with navel gazing arguments about what "best" is and someone just throwing out argument after argument, none of which they actually want...

The arguments go back and forth but the deletion arguments based on lack of third party significant coverage are stronger policy based arguments than...

media, is not grounds for deletion provided fair use criteria are met. Arguments that the nature of the subject is unencyclopedic (for example individual...

<code>{{mfl|example|function|argument 1|argument 2|...|argument N}}</code> ↳ {{#invoke:example|function|argument 1|argument 2|...|argument N}} Template documentation...

arguments, statements about editors of other nationalities, name calling, and anything that is not perceived as constructive, source-backed argument;...

arguments, statements about editors of other nationalities, name calling, and anything that is not perceived as constructive, source-backed argument;...

article is an insult to us fellow wikipedians WP:ILIKE is not a valid argument the arguments for keeping do not exist yet therefore it should be deleted NotOrrio...

album articles. – GorillaWarfare (talk) 00:28, 26 June 2011 (UTC) Drive-by Argument (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)...

language arguments and the relations among them, i.e., support or challenges, and then to organize the detected arguments in bipolar argumentation frameworks...

perspectives or fresh insight on editing Wikipedia, and not reiterate arguments or information that has already been covered in previous policies, guidelines...

reasoned arguments in a debate necessarily include both elements of fact and references to principles, disputants who lack such an argument sometimes...

Nomination withdrawn, no delete vote – PeaceNT 07:34, 1 February 2007 (UTC) Argument from free will (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch |...

relevance). — AuburnPilot It is a best practice to present all valid arguments for the change of content at once, for several reasons: Brevity – By stating...

Three Blind Mice' is plainly a trivial mention of that band." Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions § Trivial coverage Wikipedia:Bare notability...

be used. Editors are expected to state arguments for their preferred outcome and explain how those arguments apply to the particular content. This essay...

the then-ongoing proposal to eliminate the portal namespace, presenting arguments from both sides of the still-relevant issue. That discussion was closed...

to deletion (glossary) Help, my article got nominated for deletion! Argumentation ethics (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs |...

not for specialists. By following modern English usage, we also avoid arguments about what a place ought to be called, instead asking the less contentious...

(WP:OUTCOMES) Wikipedia:Notability (high schools) (WP:NHS) Wikipedia:Schools/Arguments Wikipedia:Schools/Defunct (failed, July 2006) Wikipedia:Schools/Old proposal...

because the article's topic deals with the subject of Wikipedia. See also arguments to avoid in deletion discussions – specifically, Just does not belong...

made to this page.‎ The result was delete. The arguments to keep this for the most part are arguments from authority, and do not provide concrete evidence...

Course name ENGL 1145 Writing Arguments Institution Cal Poly San Luis Obispo Instructor Calisinge Wikipedia Expert Ian (Wiki Ed) Subject Writing Course...

sufficient information to understand the arguments being presented in the publication. They might present the argument in a more accessible way than the original...

as humanly possible. Another common tactic is to present huge walls of arguments. Not only will many users not bother to read past the first thing they...

and explain your criticism of the current article at its Talk page. Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions Wikipedia:Overzealous deletion...

about each item in the list. This is a very brief summary of the major arguments for and against the use of fair use images in lists. Note that this is...

presentation of evidence and arguments before the Committee, and are based on empirical observation of which arguments have and have not worked in front...

process. In extreme cases, a sausage casing replacement may be used. Arguments to avoid during taste tests Bylaws of the Federation of Sausage Tasters...

Article (edit | visual edit | history) · Article talk (edit | history) · Watch • Watch peer review This peer review discussion has been closed. I've listed...

simply blunt and frank, can be quite subjective. That led to a lot of arguments, flame wars, tit-for-tat disputes and wikilawyering on this page. Even...

Wikipedia is not the place to publish your opinions, experiences, or arguments. Although everything on Wikipedia must be attributable, in practice, not...

Misconduct by {{{2}}} evidence {{{6}}} Template Arguments title: e.g. Vandalism who: e.g. [[User:Example|Example]] page: e.g. Talk:America diff: The diff...

opposition. Normally, unreasonable people can be placated with unreasonable arguments, and this should be tried. The Truth™, however, will be vehemently opposed...

reasoned arguments in a "bible-thumping" manner because you've found a book that says something different from what all their sources and policy arguments conclude...

of some editors that WP:BLP1E can be extended to two (or more) events. Arguments invoking BLP2E as a reason someone is not notable are outside of policy...

--DanielRigal (talk) 21:36, 9 June 2008 (UTC) Comment Please see Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions, specifically the surmountable problem...

to this page.‎ The result was keep. John254 00:04, 12 August 2008 (UTC) Argument from poor design (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch |...

on the FAQ page, while some of the arguments against the proposal may be found at the open oppositional arguments page. Questions regarding the vote can...

14 December 2009 (UTC) This would be a good time to re-read Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions#Nobody's working on it. The fact that...

these titles to overcome many of the arguments against using Pro-choice and Pro-life as titles, since those arguments arise from vagueness as to what the...

by counting heads, but by looking at strength of argument, and underlying policy (if any). Arguments that contradict policy, are based on opinion rather...

talk:Manual of Style/FAQ The specialized-style fallacy (SSF) is a set of flawed arguments that are used in Wikipedia style and titling discussions. The faulty reasoning...

discussion. Wikipedia:Alternative outlets Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in image deletion discussions Wikipedia:Deletion...

(article) namespace to any other namespace are speedily deleted. The arguments below concern mainly redirects to organisational namespaces, like Wikipedia...

response can help readers in quick browsing. Instead of repeating the same arguments, you can use (emphasis added) or (please read again), if needed, in brackets...

because the subjects, the AfD participants and the arguments are essentially the same. The "keep" arguments are particularly weak in the light of applicable...

sources must be notable. A detailed debate with arguments, counter-arguments, counter-counter-arguments, etc. is not appropriate and neither the criticisms...

with as per. Comments that are only "per" something may be considered arguments to avoid. (See WP:PERNOM and WP:JUSTAPOLICY.) However, such comments are...

original research. However, there were also arguments made in favor of keeping the article. These arguments noted that the player in question had gained...

this section. The result of the discussion was retarget to Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions#What about article x.3F. signed, Rosguill...

Closing as speedy keep per WP:SKCRIT#1 - the nominator does not advance any argument for deletion or redirection, rather they propose a merge, and no one else...

contribution. Arguments to avoid on discussion pages – while involved in a discussion, there are arguments that can make or break a case. Arguments to avoid...

notability comparison test for articles on Wikipedia. It is based on the argument that another article B, the subject of which has the same amount of or...

and that is enough. There were good arguments to keep, and good arguments to merge or delete, and the keep arguments were more numerous and stronger. Robert...

rationale for a move request. It's not that simple, and these good faith arguments occupy a great deal of time. Perhaps it is not wasted time, in that it...

merging the "list of arguments" into the IRV article, the present article is not merely a list of arguments, and the arguments (the brief summaries presented...

much stronger editing to pull the book into shape and strengthen its arguments. Publishing details: Giangreco, D.M. (2009). Hell to Pay : Operation Downfall...

is not right to call them socketpuppets. And eventhough their arguments and my arguments above are not to be ignored. We are totally right and will prevail...

with AfD it is not the quantity of arguments for or against deletion, but rather the quality of those arguments that matter. The most dangerous uses...

yourself have been following the rule in question. Otherwise, tedious arguments about arguing are likely to ensue. This phenomenon is quite common with...

points, these get lost due to the domineering behavior. Repeating the same arguments is only one way of bludgeoning. Bludgeoning is undesirable because it...

if (arguments.length > 2) arguments[2] = arguments[2].replace(/^--(~+)$/, '—$1'); oldAddButton.apply(this, arguments); };...

following pre-emptive arguments are made to assist with consideration of this proposal. It is true that many of the arguments made during West were done...

another editor. This often leads to an argument. Thus, Wikipedia plays host to very many arguments. An argument may involve any number of editors, but...

topic. Please read also the introduction of this essay on making solid arguments in deletion discussions if you came via a direct link to this subsection...

with a number of arguments on each side. This centralized discussion is meant to save time and energy and prevent the same argument to be conducted in...

into a battleground, along with snide remarks, sarcasm, and straw man arguments with the obvious intention of derailing the RfC. I'd like an uninvolved...

prima facie valid arguments are made to that effect, then "keep" arguments must directly address and attempt to refute these arguments for deletion in order...

most wikis are yet to decide upon policies towards template refactoring. Arguments in favour of a swift implementation cite the proven ability of Lua to...

these may be effective arguments. I think of my argument for deletion as more of an incorporation by reference of the delete arguments in previous AfDs, which...

3RR violation by {{{2}}} evidence {{{6}}} Template Arguments title: e.g. Vandalism who: e.g. [[User:Example|Example]] page: e.g. Talk:America offset:...

discussion where the arguments for deletion were more numerous and the arguments to keep were fallacious. The presiding arguments to keep can easily be...

consensus"), but that would be wrong. The arguments to delete are plenteous and well-argued, while the keep arguments are (save one or two) entirely unconvincing...

something of themselves" could be an arguments. The listing of the accomplishments of all 3 members answers that argument. Having title matches, tournament...

it" is not a very useful response in either case. Some users thrive on arguments, and an admonition to stop arguing just gives them a new thing to argue...

Task 1, wherein DFB not only removes empty deprecated arguments but also removes deprecated arguments with specified values. I agree that a yes/no value...

remaining arguments that have merit are the argument that there are no allowable classes other than those in the case of page protection and the argument that...

contentious discussion between editors. There is rarely a reason to jump into an argument, and doing so often ends up fanning the flames of the dispute, making resolution...

in merely starting over. With articles, this is the TNT tipping point argument: if the article's content is useless (including all the versions in history)...

similarly unsuitable topic, with hopes that others will make the same arguments for deletion. If someone deletes from an article information which they...

"delete"s put across good arguments and successfully discounted some of the sources and arguments provided. After discounting the arguments I did not consider...

persuasive, well-reasoned, and compelling arguments. Conversely, editors should also take care to not take an argument more seriously simply because Jimbo is...

{{Distinguish}}, arguments 1, 2, 3, and 4. On pages that transclude {{For}}, arguments 2 and 3. On pages that transclude {{Other hurricane uses}}, argument 1. On...

right. Just because you've won over others, or you're using the same arguments that previously won you over doesn't mean you will win a debate with a...

legitimate and relevant to the issue. Do not attempt to refute their arguments or contradict them using logic, reasoning and/or supporting evidence....

and the arguments examined from an objective standpoint, there is a consensus to delete. As I said in the other AfD, examining the arguments is particularly...

quote above, and cited User:Frungi to give his readers a brief summary of arguments in favour of an upper-case or lower-case spelling, saying he did not want...

result was Delete. The arguments for delete concentrated on the notability issues within the article, but the keep arguments largely consisted of variants...

editors refer to – is to conveniently record frequently used and accepted arguments (i.e., consensus that simply doesn't rise to guideline or policy level)...

deleted. See also WP:IDONTKNOWIT or Wikipedia:NOBODYREADSIT. Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and...

keep. After reviewing the arguments on both sides and weighing their relevance, strengths, and how they address the arguments stated in opposition - I...

say that only arguments in an AFD can support deletion as the whole point of closing against consensus is that we measure the arguments against wider...

arguments, statements about editors of other nationalities, name calling, and anything that is not perceived as constructive, source-backed argument;...

(policy). We explain to people why their "keep" arguments, even if more numerous than the delete arguments, fail to persuade in deletion debates. Redirects...

contributing worthwhile content. Arguments take editors away from contributing content. Arguments are rarely worth your time. Arguments of petty insignificant issues...

content, and be redirected. See also the longer summary of arguments. We've seen the arguments for and against schools plenty of times, and there is no...

the article. (There are good arguments for Y, and there are good arguments for Z, but there are virtually no good arguments for it to stay at X.) In these...

Course name Argumentation and Debate Honors Institution Northeast State Community College Instructor Rcmerritt 21 Wikipedia Expert Ian (Wiki Ed) Subject...

is not right to call them socketpuppets. And eventhough their arguments and my arguments above are not to be ignored. We are totally right and will prevail...

instead of) one reads the actual arguments. Please don't. It can be interesting to look at headcounts and arguments in a consequential thread, but please...

synthesis of each side's arguments than a poll would. Polls might lead editors to expect that a majority will automatically win the argument, or that the result...

Nug has heard it, hasn't found your arguments convincing (I surely don't), and is continuing to make their arguments in good faith because they don't accept...

copious amounts of other editors' valuable volunteer time making circular arguments in an argumentum ad nauseam attempt to get them to give up and let you...

both sides may have presented valid arguments, or you may disagree with both. Provide the reasoning behind your argument. Provide third opinions in the relevant...

Articles for deletion/Sport Your Argument Articles for deletion/Sport Your Argument (2nd nomination) Sport Your Argument (edit | talk | history | protect |...

userspace at User:EricDiesel/Coatrack Argument for Deletions. Keeper ǀ 76 15:45, 9 September 2008 (UTC) Coatrack Argument for Deletions (edit | talk | history |...

involved in RFCs should behave. It is based on empirical observation of what arguments have worked and which ones have not, as well as upon discussions with...

this page.‎ The result was delete. The arguments to delete are significantly more convincing than the arguments to keep. Even if the claims of Handke being...

Write a paper going beyond your Wikipedia article to advance your own ideas, arguments, and original research about your topic....

public deliberation  Construct, analyze and critically evaluate public arguments, their component parts – claims, evidence, reasoning – and the relationships...

WP:CIVIL to find the actual policy-based arguments. What this boils down to is (in rough order of popularity): Arguments for keep: well sourced topic meets...

consensus was there beforehand) but the arguments for keep are simply stronger and more diverse. The delete arguments largely fit into one of three baskets:...

result was delete. Courcelles 00:46, 12 March 2013 (UTC) 19th Century Arguments for Anti-Vivisection found in The Island of Dr. Moreau (edit | talk |...

number of well rehearsed arguments that have been made here for merging or deleting the article (and can also been seen in arguments concerning other books...

that question first, and then pick whatever policy, guideline, essay, or argument supports the answer. Don't flip the order. If you look at a policy page...

author disagrees with the scientific mainstream. Should his ideas and arguments be excluded merely because they oppose the mainstream? Would it violate...

example in a table), this can be accomplished using the multiple template arguments. {{PMID|id1|id2|id3|id4|...}} Example (with "," as default leadout):...

student editors 56 We cover researching, constructing and presenting arguments to an audience in an argumentative setting. But, a big portion of the...

than anything." Upon the opening of the miscellany for deletion debate, arguments mainly focused on keeping the AMA, or "Esperanzifying" the organization...

non-free images". Wikipedia Signpost. Wikimedia Foundation. Essays Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in image deletion discussions Wikipedia:Adding images improves...

(WP:NPASR). North America1000 09:39, 7 November 2015 (UTC) Sport Your Argument (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)...

pass the name of the program as first argument and the arguments to be passed to the program as a second argument. I need to do it this way because if...

No further edits should be made to this page.‎ The result was keep. No arguments for deletion aside from the nominator. (non-admin closure) Ron Ritzman...

agree even on "what is political". So review the following positions and arguments (see m:TIPAESA structure) on this issue, and add more that reflect your...

for deletion only if the "delete" arguments are so strong as to mandate deletion without regard to any other arguments (such as, e.g., in the case of copyright...

The following is an argument from A Stop at Willoughby (talk · contribs) for deleting secret pages: The following is an argument from Hersfold (talk ·...

administrators, and exists as an alternative to a hypocritical hierarchy. Arguments in favor of Wikiblower protection hang on the principles of proportionality...

Dyeing poison dart frog Erwin Chemerinsky during oral arguments Seth P. Waxman during oral arguments Eva Le Gallienne Sky Reflector-Net The Mahasattva of...

made to this page.‎ The result was delete. The keep arguments are not compelling. Two of the arguments are basing it on past precedent, citing a WikiProject...

after you do this! Edit Reverts Notification System features Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in edit wars Wikipedia:Enjoy yourself Wikipedia:It's not the...

page. Notability arguments (September 2006 – November 2007) – More of a consensus discussion and a catalogue of pro and con arguments. On Notability (a...

SNG. Finally, having gone through the most prominent keep arguments, the delete arguments simply were the strongest: there exists virtually no significant...

Untested facts or arguments Original research that presents reports based on your own experience, or your own ideas, theories, or arguments, even when these...

the discussion discounted arguments that invoked the lawsuit. In the decision, Judge Jamie S. Perri cited Wikimedia's argument that Section 230 of the Communications...

titles guideline to recognize how titles are styled currently to avoid arguments between the relationship of WP:MOS and WP:TITLE? Today's article for improvement...

intelligent design, the intelligent design movement, its anti-evolution arguments (particularly irreducible complexity and specified complexity) and the...

Bring a Satsuma Instead of a Ball – Sometimes arguments are just in the wrong place. Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions Wikipedia:Articles...

arguments in beyond a simple assertion, and two provide comparatively detailed or supported arguments. Of the nine deletes, the most common argument is...

the arguments presented, I felt few of the reasons for deletion were compelling from a policy or guideline perspective, and many of the keep arguments were...

are not a tool to fight or win arguments or drive a consensus in one or another direction. The validity of an argument on a factual or stylistic or logical...

Keep There are two issues: disarmament of German Jews 90 years ago, and arguments regarding gun control in recent decades. The current article includes...

(UTC)[21] Your arguments were not deleted, just the three paragraphs from the article Pimp you pasted in the discussion. Your arguments basically were...

Ontology Project Analysis at PhilPapers Arguments Arguments at the Indiana Philosophy Ontology Project Arguments at PhilPapers Belief Belief at the Stanford...

In the news candidates page, arguments like the following are advanced in support of posting a story: Or: These arguments are fallacious. All stories proposed...

have provided arguments against neighborhoods, the keepers have provided arguments for keeping them, and I believe the keep arguments are more compelling...

MOS:FLAG. When determining consensus to include or not include an infobox: Arguments accurately citing article-specific rationale should be weighted highly...

Michele Ross Pat Ryan (artist) Sinsemilla Tips Smoke-in wikt:smoke-in Arguments for and against drug prohibition Cannabinoid Cannabis Administration and...

situation is as follows. Arguments for deletion have given cogent reasons why the sources do not satisfy Wikipedia's requirements. Arguments for keeping (ignoring...

"Supreme Court" style contains the arguments section while the "Opinion of the Court" style keeps oral arguments in the preceding "Background" section...

SummerWithMorons thought the article should be kept and that the AfD was invalid. "Arguments for deletion must be based on the notability of the subject itself. The...

article) Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in adminship discussions (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in edit wars (edit...

guidelines to win your argument. The long version. Wikipedia:Don't template the regulars. And don't shortcut the regulars! Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion...

approaching one direction, and a handful of accounts are using the same bad arguments (often "I like it" or "It's just not notable") to support the opposite...

delete. The "delete" arguments are substantially stronger. They notably invoke WP:LISTN, which is prima facie a strong argument, because the article contains...

info to merge. Kafziel Complaint Department 06:50, 10 July 2008 (UTC) Argument from derision (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch |...

with all the good arguments they could have added. The use of WP:OWN in a discussion doesn't mean the user is all out of real arguments for the version...

arguments, statements about editors of other nationalities, name calling, and anything that is not perceived as constructive, source-backed argument;...

debating what should or should not be included in articles often base their arguments on Duty, Safety, or Doing the Right Thing. These debates most often occur...

§ ActionScript. This is one template that takes skill level as an argument. User interests:   A   B   C   D   E   F   G   H   I   J   K   L   M   N ...

2021 (UTC) You provide arguments why the game is notable. This is not acceptable. We can discuss if wether or not my arguments are suitable, but they...

The keep arguments are largely very weak, do not base their arguments on wikipedia's policies and guidelines, with the only main argument being that...

statements, concepts, arguments, or ideas; or any new analysis or synthesis of published data, statements, concepts, arguments, or ideas. Wikipedia:No...

arguments, statements about editors of other nationalities, name calling, and anything that is not perceived as constructive, source-backed argument;...

non-notability." Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Walter Wenzel AFD where the writer of the essay first experienced the argument that inspired this essay....

this page.‎ The result was keep. A lot of the arguments given in this discussion are not valid arguments for deletion, and participants who have not yet...

agenda, the stability argument turns into an argument against having (simple) rules." The author cautions that these four arguments have to be reinterpreted...

should not include novel arguments not previously covered in a centralized forum. If you would like to present a novel argument or interpretation, please...

percentage isn't that overwhelming, but it's not a vote and the "keep" arguments establish that this material, in this form, will be useful. Metamagician3000...

places to (possibly) tell the world about your noble cause Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions#It contains valuable information Wikipedia:Existence...

No further edits should be made to this page.‎ The result was keep. No arguments for deletion aside from the nominator. (non-admin closure) Ron Ritzman...

to: Wikipedia:Alternate account Wikipedia:Annotated article Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid (index of several essays on this theme) Wikipedia:Article alerts...

arguments, statements about editors of other nationalities, name calling, and anything that is not perceived as constructive, source-backed argument;...

bit of unsourced or WP:CRYSTAL material in some of these." Among the arguments to avoid in deletion discussions is WP:MUST. Since destinations are readily...

described, so readers know: Who advocates the point of view What their arguments are (supporting evidence, reasoning, etc.) A Wikipedian contributor might...

support for keep, and the deletion arguments are incredibly weak. LISTCRUFT is not policy, and the other arguments amount to asserting that it is trivial...

alphabetical order of the username. In the summaries below, arguments in favour are listed before arguments against, although individual statements my have a different...

See talk page for closing arguments. `'mikkanarxi 06:21, 10 November 2006 (UTC)...

other editor's user page for deletion of the same page with the same arguments immediately after they were strongly rejected in a recently-closed XfD...

✗plicit 00:32, 19 January 2025 (UTC) Wikipedia:What are High-Quality Arguments for Forming Consensus? (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)​...

result was delete. A lot of the keep arguments are at best optimistic with regard to how closely their arguments accord with policy and we have a pretty...

remedied. So, the keep arguments seem pretty strong to me, as well. Since there are roughly even amounts of fairly strong arguments, I'm confident in saying...

Keen: Leave the web to the professionals - Andrew Keen reiterates some arguments from his book The Cult of the Amateur (see archived story). Editorial:...

both parties have valid statements (give or take the strength of their arguments) this would be a key time to make a resolution or find a middle ground...

arguments, statements about editors of other nationalities, name calling, and anything that is not perceived as constructive, source-backed argument;...

bringing sound arguments to bear and remember that the outcome is decided by discussion, not voting. Please see both Wikipedia:Arguments to make in deletion...

about a pre-planned event does not make it "routine" coverage. Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions WP:ROUTINE Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Wink...

they are based on consensual discussion, they often settle time-wasting arguments. Wikipedia has no firm rules, but these suggestions help create consistent...

software. The article pointed out the passionate and somewhat uncivil arguments made by opponents of flagged revisions, particularly those directed to...

guidelines. To be sure, plenty of policy arguments were advanced against the creation of POV forks, but no policy arguments why, in the context of this article...

result of the discussion was keep all. There are arguments for keeping individual ones and arguments against group-deletion (with a suggestion to perhaps...

turned on for all users to aid in the process of categorizing Wikipedia. Arguments against the proposal include the lack of double check feature and no way...

editors can get an idea of what parts of the argument are most important, and allows for a minimalist argument summary that is still a valid and comprehensive...

This essay makes four arguments about things notability is not. If you are new to Wikipedia, you will need to know that "notable" does not simply mean...

Guide to deletion (glossary) Help, my article got nominated for deletion! Argument Web (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs |...

and parameters. See Parameter (computing) § Parameters and arguments. When presenting arguments, maintain simplicity; specify them only when necessary and...

made to this page.‎ The result was The arguments for deletion are stronger and more persuasive than the arguments for retention of the article. There's...

by counting heads, but by looking at strength of argument, and underlying policy (if any). Arguments that contradict policy, are based on opinion rather...

into Wikipedia. The article reviews the deletionist and inclusionist arguments, and states that "notability debate has spread across the discussions...

rhetorical singularity renders campus sexual violence an "isolated issue". Arguments that UO was somehow unique or unusual in its unsafe environment and unethical...

on the theme: Category:Arguments that Jesus was the Christ, Category:Arguments that Jesus was not the Christ, Category:Arguments that Mary was perpetually...

overview of that "number of valid arguments". Regards, Tbayer (WMF) (talk) 15:56, 1 November 2014 (UTC) The valid arguments are restatement of the lit review;...

articles may state that Wikipedia does (or does not) need that article as an argument. This essay supports the idea that "need" is the wrong measure for including...

main reason for having arguments in functions is to be able to call the same function multiple times with different arguments which affect what it does...

this page.‎ The result was delete. "Keep" arguments were not policy and guideline based. "Delete" arguments were. Jayjg (talk) 04:58, 16 July 2010 (UTC)...

would be fewer !votes and more attention to arguments and the presentation of evidence. I've seen sound arguments -- including reports of reliable source...

Not a published argument, and blatant original research. DoomsDay349 22:47, 13 November 2006 (UTC) Delete OR and a terrible argument at that - a textbook...

and 119 keeps, which is roughly 1:2. If I look at the arguments, both sides have valid arguments. Those who argue for keeping say that the article meets...

other sources) were legal. More generally, it rejected the plaintiff's arguments that Wikimedia Deutschland could be held accountable for content in the...

is still ongoing. Arguments in favor of deletion are primarily based on WP:NOTNEWS, and allege undue detail in the article. Arguments in favor of keeping...

knowing that their arguments are measured on their strength, not on the number of words used to advance them. Usually argument repetition in Articles...

years before a track listing was finalized. Also consider the fact that arguments like "everybody knows it will be put out soon" or "this is going to be...

highly problematic because Fuseau is doing a great job providing counter-arguments to editors on the article talk page, and Sander Sade is clearly trying...

"delete" arguments are founded in policy and guidelines, the "keep" arguments boil down to variants of WP:ILIKEIT and WP:USEFUL, and specious arguments that...

note is the fact that the "delete" arguments directly address the sourcing available as inadequate, while the arguments to keep provide no rationale whatsoever...

Google test, and the "official" name. I don't find the "status quo" argument, nor arguments that deal with the history of the article itself rather than the...

result was keep. – Juliancolton | Talk 02:15, 14 January 2017 (UTC) Das Argument (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)...

just about all of the delete !votes. The arguments were cogent and persuasive. On the keep side, various arguments for retention were used. First, it was...

and pages exceeding the template argument size limit are added to Category:Pages containing omitted template arguments. (The names of these categories...

the argument. Nonetheless, I would suggest that both sides "chill out" and focus on the arguments rather than characterizing whether an argument is "poor"...

Mother Jones, or others discuss the arguments (and then they do generally go on to take sides against the argument ;)) Gaijin42 (talk) 16:33, 4 January...

leaning toward modifying, deleting, or moving ITN off the mainpage. The arguments include that Wikipedia "is not news" and that the space on the mainpage...

WP:GNG, or WP:NBIO. This article has been nominated 4 previous times, and arguments either way that don't meaningfully engage in discussions of sources used...

present things impartially, and do not make arguments. Sources are not required to be impartial and can make arguments. An article structure such as "here's...

reasonable arguments that this case is high-profile enough to merit an exception to the rule. Both sides of the discussion make reasonable arguments here,...

deletion/List of German Americans — look at arguments that tied in with Wikipedia policy and discount the keep arguments that did not. (See Wikipedia:Deletion...

the article at Wikipedia:Requests for comment. Wikipedia:Avoid repeated arguments Wikipedia:Forgive and forget Wikipedia:Mutual withdrawal Wikipedia:No...

errors. Update of duplicate arguments warning messages on talk pages to inform contributors on the presence of duplicate arguments. Make a list of ISBN errors...

and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: The keep arguments are all very week and classic arguments to avoid but I don’t think we should delete all many...

down to is that the arguments for deletion (most of which are valid policy-type of arguments) definitely outweigh the arguments for keep. Deathphoenix...

gives the reader no resources to check out the arguments for themselves, and in philosophy it's the argument that counts, not that some, or most, or all...

Numerically and per strength of argument: this article remains substantially unsourced, and WP:V as well as WP:N are strong arguments for deletion. The "keep"...

numerical strength, I counted five other types of arguments that surpassed the strength of the legitimacy arguments, the existential threat bypassed it by a factor...

dating signaled by Donner present good arguments for the lack of enduring historical significance, arguments which on one countered. Drmies (talk) 21:07...

isn't a strawman argument, in the strawman scenario I just attack the weakest of multiple arguments. Here I attack all the arguments, so it is just a...

30 June 2022 (UTC) Delete The only arguments for keeping this list are of the form WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS, an argument to avoid in deletion discussions. In...

as "weak keep" on January 15, said: If I look at the arguments, both sides have valid arguments. Those who argue for keeping say that the article meets...

controversy surrounding his arguments about kink at pride, his second ban from Twitch, and his debate with Charlie Kirk). WP:1E arguments are clearly not applicable...

hominem is not a valid argument in a deletion discussion. If someone wants to keep an article, they need to address the arguments offered in support of...

centralized discussion about the entire group, rather than repeating arguments over each member thereof. This is an attempt to forum consensus on one...

figure it out. Later that night at the dinner table there was a political argument. Her mother felt very strongly, so she again barked "I can't stand politicians...

there) isn't being used as an argument. It is being used to show why the various keep arguments are trash. The actual arguments to delete come from WP:EPISODE...

Most such pages are collections of arguments placed in Wikipedia space for later reference, so the same arguments don't need to be made over and over...

time to articulate arguments against my position; I want to make it clear that I am responding to real and not hypothetical arguments. Those who criticize...

because it's not notable". Those are not arguments, those should be the conclusions you reach from the arguments you put forward (which should involve an...

future disputes. The divisive nature of disputed subjects has triggered arguments, since opinions on a given issue differ. These subjects are responsible...

a fallacy to claim that the professor would be infallible. Here we do arguments from authority big time. If we remove the appeal to authority, Wikipedia...

resolved disputes that you initiated. Help mediate disagreements and arguments between others. Say "please" and "thank you". Take it slowly. If you are...

demonstrated a consensus of retention or deletion based primarily on these arguments. It is those in the middle ground who make the effort to distinguish between...

among others have provided strong arguments for why this is encyclopedic, not just ILIKEIT. Regarding your other arguments, the lists are not indiscriminate...

With all due respect to the creators of new articles, it is not a valid argument for retention of an article to claim that: "He's an up-and-coming performer;...

discussion, it was important to determine the arguments that were completely unsupported by policy, arguments along the lines of I like it and other stuff...

heated arguments, imagine everyone involved, yourself included, as being in the same room wearing only underwear while having the same argument. Assuming...

researched their topics in great detail and developed well considered arguments, and they used anecdotes to help communicate their messages. This was...

Wikipedia:Run-of-the-mill Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions § Subjective importance Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid on discussion pages § Subjective...

many of the same arguments many times before. For speed, some employ shorthands rather than typing out the same reasoning and arguments again and again...

have to admit, I've been reading the arguments here with more than a little bit of amusement. Most of the arguments on the DELETE side show virtually no...

" Of course, these are arguments about what the sources and policy say, or what will or won't improve an article, not arguments about the substantive issues...

speedy delete per WP:CSD#12. PeterSymonds (talk) 14:25, 12 June 2008 (UTC) Argument from Time and Contingency (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links |...

presented the arguments both for and against it in considerable detail at Wikipedia:Neutral point of view/BCE-CE Debate, trying to rebut the arguments of the...

the subject. Despite the verbose nature of the opposing comment, these arguments were not clearly refuted. The use of socks to give the appearance of greater...

doesn't view the CRYSTAL argument as being convincing. For those that need more explicit summation, remember that arguments that read "It's the biggest...

Delete because the arguments for delete are more convincing and mostly based on policies, guidelines, etc., while the keep arguments are more vague and...

source. The arguments presented above that it is not a reliable source on these topics are unpersuasive and misdirected, and the arguments that this RFC...

get the point, imploring your next course of action to be to read their arguments more carefully. Further, what may seem like a vaguepost may be someone's...

the link to its current domain). Argument is a boolean. Defines where the link to initialize FurMe is located. Argument is a string with following values:...

answer this question, some great people have written some explanations and arguments on this page. Everybody should use Wikipedia, either as a source or, if...

point the way to progress. The key principle is "stay on topic"; that is, arguments should be on the merits and not personalities. Editors should bear in...

or avoid "other stuff exists" arguments says these "other stuff exists" arguments can be valid or invalid. In my argument, I presented two other notable...

arguments made are ones to avoid or when arguments use essays/guidelines/policies incorrectly. Arguments listed here are regarded as weak arguments....

not been effectively countered. Most other keep arguments do not actually address the delete arguments - for example, just because a book series is notable...

was no consensus‎ without prejudice against speedy renomination. Strong arguments on both sides, roughly evenly divided. Two things happened during the...

"the argument has a snowball's chance in hell of failing" to close discussions much earlier than they would have otherwise. Some dissenting arguments made...

assertions. As I've repeatedly said, sources are your arguments. They are your best and most effective arguments, and they will work. Bald assertions, irrelevances...

page.‎ The result was no consensus. Good arguments have been made on both sides, and neither side's arguments clearly outweigh the other on quality or...

to win your argument. Complex and confusing arguments cannot help make a point. It should not be necessary if to construct complex arguments involving novel...

nomination) On the opposite side of the spectrum, many AfDs also see arguments such as the following: Keep Meets WP:ATHLETE Some editors, though, believe...

substantial changes. Some common arguments both for and against deletion that may seem reasonable have universal problems. WP:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions...

considered a valid argument in deletion discussions, and I specifically said that the last "keep" was a result of invalid arguments that invoked only usefulness...

season-specific American Idol userboxes, click on the links for usage notes. The argument number at the end of the userbox template code is based on what place the...

current 5. The discussion was carried with 45 supports to 16 opposes. Arguments in favor of the change involved bringing AFD in line with RFA, where discussions...

cast doubt on your arguments. The problem is that you seem to not accept that people might disagree with you and find your "arguments unfounded", and this...

quite a lot of views, it does seem somewhat natural. Some of the later arguments in this discussion do point to some sourcing that might be able to show...

good essay. But we're coining new terms, making new arguments, and making new counter-arguments, and decorating it all with unfree content. This isn't...

recommend the deletion or keeping of certain kinds of articles. While logical arguments and evidence may improve the quality of such essays, it's within the authorial...

arguments provided rather than the raw headcount, as canvassing/socking can effectively sway the latter without having much impact on the arguments provided...

solid arguments came later" there is no evidence to support his opinion about timing of the arguments nor any evidence that the later arguments were superior;...

inout 05:34, 19 March 2010 (UTC) @GoRight: Abd is barred from "posing arguments in content disputes" (as he has done here) because it is not a poll and...

question what it is you wanted to say. If you don't have any additional arguments, that is not very helpful. The two most important principles after consensus...

more importantly their arguments about there being no indication of notability is well taken, while most of the keep arguments are mere "significant coverage...

discussion with several points of contention. First off, based on the arguments presented here it's clear that WP:GNG is not met - apparently they are...

have given no weight to arguments by obvious spas and very little weight to non policy based arguments, The killer arguments are NPOV and the need for...

site make uncontested and relevant policy-based arguments. Given the relative strength of the arguments made, deletion is the only option. Lankiveil (speak...

titles guideline to recognize how titles are styled currently to avoid arguments between the relationship of WP:MOS and WP:TITLE? Today's article for improvement...

counter deletion arguments based on lack of sourcing is to provide some. This doesn't appear to have happened so the delete arguments whilenumerically...

added to the matrix for NCORP standards. I have not yet heard convincing arguments from @Robert McClenon or @HighKing regarding reasons the NewScientist...

"delete" arguments are, in aggregate, so much more persuasive in the light of policies, guidelines and precedents than the "keep" arguments, that I would...

keep arguments mostly some form of OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. While delete arguments make the case that NLIST has not been met. The stronger set of arguments are...

determined to be the stronger arguments. The key area where the admin weighs in on is to determine whether genuine policy arguments are being used and discount...

delete. — Nearly Headless Nick {C} 07:42, 3 August 2007 (UTC) Drive-by argument (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)...

venue. Advise the offended authors to think objectively about refuting arguments with evidence and policy. If you are wrong or something you were unaware...

functionality of the templates. Any request for undeletion should provide new arguments, rather than simply asserting that prior consensuses were wrong, or it...

particular weight in this discussion. Because no other arguments for keeping are made, and the arguments for deletion (most importantly, the lack of reliable...

should be made to this page.‎ The result was keep. The main policy-based arguments to keep the article rest on the significant, ongoing coverage of the event...

basis that the delete arguments are policy based while the keep arguments contained a fine selection of classic invalid arguments like WP:USEFUL and WP:OTHERSTUFF...

edits should be made to this page.‎ The result was delete. The "delete" arguments are substantially stronger in the light of the applicable guidelines....

cite sources. Not all Wikipedians agree with these sentiments. Several arguments are as follows: Modern dictionaries are likely to be in copyright, and...

not say things they know or believe to be untrue simply to support their argument. Does not argue or act in favor of something they think is wrong. Disruptive...

are equal, the delete arguments argue a lack of sufficient reference material to sustain this article, and the keep arguments do little to refute this...

under original research. When in doubt, let consensus prevail. Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions Wikipedia:Don't bludgeon the process...

Bertport LaGrandefr's arguments are constantly deleted, despite many sources cited. Random modification of scholars' arguments and conclusion. Large use...

books, which are generally allowed. I generally consider these arguments and counter arguments of an equal weight, therefore I think there is no consensus...

sources. Keep arguments must be based either on sources having been provided, or the article being adequately sourced already. Delete arguments must be based...

that you think critically about the arguments of others and in turn develop and communicate your own ideas and arguments. For the theme of this course, we...

this point. Many of the arguments to keep appear to have a common and classic misunderstandings of WP:BLP1E. Substantiated arguments for general notability...

made to this page.‎ The result was delete. The only sound policy-based arguments here are those from editors arguing for deletion. It's very obvious that...

obviously should be Kept. And it is not necessary to explain a lot more. Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions Wikipedia:Overzealous deletion...

investigations/Certifiedallergist/Archive. Another one is active. Exactly same MO, arguments, BLP violations (very slanderous), and from the same area: 108.0.56.124 (talk ·...

rather honestly that raising this issue is a possible violation of the arguments going back one year stipulation. I would welcome input from the arbitrators...

Bearian and one or two others make strong arguments that were not countered. One or two more strong arguments and this could easily have been conclusive...

"delete" arguments is, by and large, they assert WP:BLP1E without going into any further depth, and several were challenged by the "keep" arguments without...

WP:CFORK. Similar arguments can be made for the other timelines, which makes a batch nomination unhelpful. As for the other arguments in the nomination...

peace offering, or truce, that you offer to someone whom you have had an argument with recently. An apology or note equipped with one of the Peace Dove images...

new page triage" but no longer finds it beneficial, came up with some arguments as to why allowing the change could actually improve the effectiveness...

the large majority of keep arguments, it needs to be established that Wikipedia is not Wikinews. Very few of the keep arguments come from a policy or guideline...

Rights-based arguments." The edits added arguments to Gun politics that were being warred over on Gun control, and linked them with "tyranny" arguments supported...

destinations/archive. Briefly, this utterly fails WP:N. The vast majority of keep arguments in the last nomination were WP:ILIKEIT and WP:USEFUL, not ones based on...

each arguments will be proposed (including sandboxing or producing multiple "drafts" of the article(s) or section(s) which are disputed); Arguments for...

you can make a convincing argument that the article is notable enough to stay, you should make the pro-retention argument for them if they're unable...

The result was delete. Consensus is delete by strength of arguments. The Delete arguments are soundly based in policy and give specific reasons as to...

whatsoever". Arguments such as "not notable"/"notable", without supporting argumentation, were discounted, as were ad hominem arguments and arguments made on...

arguments, statements about editors of other nationalities, name calling, and anything that is not perceived as constructive, source-backed argument;...

(UTC) I think we can ignore the ILIKEIT arguments, but I'd like to see some response to the more substantive arguments that have been offered. In particular...

Would like to get this article ready for GA and then FA - please offer any suggestions that may help in this effort. Thanks Morphh (talk) 00:18, 4 October...

describe the result as decisive; to do so is to favour one, well-sourced argument over the other and thus violate WP:NPOV. The Battle of Waterloo does a...

purging the cache. It would be nice, if "we" go to appeal, to present arguments that are watertight and compelling. This, as some of us know to our cost...

stand, we have about 10 keep arguments stating that the topic meets notability guidelines and about 5 delete/merge arguments asserting either that notability...

points, these are essentially under-prepared. I found the most interesting argument to be that Hitler was looking for a negotiated peace from late 1941 onwards...

This is one of those rare cases where WP:NOTAVOTE earns its keep. The arguments for deletion assert that the subject is not notable as an actor, per the...

conclusion has been reached. Many "keep" arguments are either vague or based on WP:ATA, while many "redirect" arguments vaguely parrot the same "non notable...

to prove a point, they include counter-arguments, at the least so that they can explain why the counter-arguments fail. Also, people can honestly fail to...

box that looks like this.}} Here's a breakdown of the arguments of the template. The first argument, #c8a2c8, is the color code for the background of the...

And, again, without providing any sources. No compelling arguments to Keep. Past arguments include: Reader/editor interest -- in other words "I like...

keep. Although there are some reasoned arguments in favour of deleting the argument, the strongest arguments provided all favour keeping the article...

irrelevant) accusations of bad faith or vandalism, "it's useful" arguments, arguments about other lists that fall under OTHERSTUFFEXISTS, claims that GNG...

already have an article". Now if I point out his argument is irrelevent to the discussion at hand (see arguments to the person) or ignores a basic policy (see...

host it in articlespace. The arguments for making this page, and taking the screenshots seem plausible. But the arguments for retaining the page are weaker...

--Jimbo Wales [...] Wikipedia:Quoting Jimbo is not a replacement for a good argument Wikipedia:Argumentum ad Larryem Wikipedia:Appeals to Jimbo Wikipedia:What...

question. On this question, overall the keep arguments fail to effectively refute the detailed and numerous arguments that the totality of published coverage...

inherently notable. Other users took note of this comment and responded with arguments to move it to draft space until such time the subject has gained enough...

Stryver. Weak arguments include Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of female television actors (bassically an WP:ITSCRUFT style of non-argument), Wikipedia:Articles...

consensus. What a mess this discussion was. With all the hyper-extended arguments, and the canvassing of hundreds of editors, this discussion became doomed...

same arguments ad nauseum, regardless of how many times he fails to gain support for his position. These diffs are only a small number of each argument: "The...