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Talk:Canadian_(disambiguation)#Requested_move_13_August_2024 Moxy🍁 01:16, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240820011600","author":"Moxy","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Moxy-20240820011600-Talk:Canadian_(disambiguation)#Requested_move_13_August_2024","replies":[]}}-->

Hi everyone,

Wikimedia Canada is hosting a virtual session about The Wikipedia Library on August 28, 2024 at 12 p.m. EDT. We'll be talking about what it is, who qualifies to use it, as well as highlighting some resources available through the Wikipedia Library that may be of interest for contributors that focus on Canadian topics. Please visit the event page to register. This session will also be recorded for those unable to attend.

- Chelsea Chiovelli (WMCA) (talk) 17:22, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240820172200","author":"Chelsea Chiovelli (WMCA)","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Chelsea_Chiovelli_(WMCA)-20240820172200-Wikimedia_Canada_-_Wikipedia_Library_Session","replies":["c-Mr_Serjeant_Buzfuz-20240820200500-Chelsea_Chiovelli_(WMCA)-20240820172200","c-Chelsea_Chiovelli_(WMCA)-20240920172000-Chelsea_Chiovelli_(WMCA)-20240820172200"]}}-->

Thank you for this; looks interesting. One comment: shouldn't the time be listed as 12 EDT, both here and the general announcement? Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 20:05, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240820200500","author":"Mr Serjeant Buzfuz","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Mr_Serjeant_Buzfuz-20240820200500-Chelsea_Chiovelli_(WMCA)-20240820172200","replies":["c-Chelsea_Chiovelli_(WMCA)-20240820205700-Mr_Serjeant_Buzfuz-20240820200500"]}}-->

You are correct, thank you for catching this! I've updated the time zone on the notice here and on the event page. Chelsea Chiovelli (WMCA) (talk) 20:57, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240820205700","author":"Chelsea Chiovelli (WMCA)","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Chelsea_Chiovelli_(WMCA)-20240820205700-Mr_Serjeant_Buzfuz-20240820200500","replies":[]}}-->

Hi everyone, I just wanted share the recording of the Wikipedia Library event: Wikipedia Library Introduction (YouTube) for those of you who weren't able to attend. We are still in the process of adding French captions but as soon as those are done we will also be posting the recording on Commons. Best, Chelsea Chiovelli (WMCA) (talk) 17:20, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240920172000","author":"Chelsea Chiovelli (WMCA)","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Chelsea_Chiovelli_(WMCA)-20240920172000-Chelsea_Chiovelli_(WMCA)-20240820172200","replies":[]}}-->

• 4:00 p.m., August 28, 2024 – 5:00 p.m., August 28, 2024 Timezone: +00:00

Moxy🍁 05:16, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240822051600","author":"Moxy","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Moxy-20240822051600-Event_Wikimedia_Canada","replies":[]}}-->

Just thought I'd bring attention to the article on the 2024 Canada railroad shutdown - it's currently barely a stub, and it's an important current Canadian event that needs a lot of work done on its article. Eldomtom2 (talk) 16:05, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240822160500","author":"Eldomtom2","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Eldomtom2-20240822160500-2024_Canada_railroad_shutdown","replies":["c-Mr_Serjeant_Buzfuz-20240822163500-Eldomtom2-20240822160500"]}}-->

I've started a section on the Talk page for the article, suggesting that the title should be changed to "2024 Canada railway shutdown", as "railway" is the common term used in Canada; have given examples there from the industry, news articles on the shutdown, and the Canada Transportation Agency. Would welcome comments; don't know if it needs a formal request to move? Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 16:35, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240822163500","author":"Mr Serjeant Buzfuz","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Mr_Serjeant_Buzfuz-20240822163500-Eldomtom2-20240822160500","replies":["c-Mr_Serjeant_Buzfuz-20240824041600-Mr_Serjeant_Buzfuz-20240822163500"]}}-->

There is now a proposal to delete the article on notability grounds/sourcing. Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 04:16, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240824041600","author":"Mr Serjeant Buzfuz","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Mr_Serjeant_Buzfuz-20240824041600-Mr_Serjeant_Buzfuz-20240822163500","replies":[]}}-->

 You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Pierre Poilievre § Image. Cremastra (talk) 18:36, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240822183600","author":"Cremastra","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Cremastra-20240822183600-Discussion_at_Talk:Pierre_Poilievre_\u00a7_Image","replies":[]}}-->

I have nominated Isaac Brock for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" in regards to the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Z1720 (talk) 02:31, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240827023100","author":"Z1720","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Z1720-20240827023100-FAR_for_Isaac_Brock","replies":["c-Clovermoss-20240827040200-Z1720-20240827023100"]}}-->

@Z1720: I doubt I could accomplish anything in two weeks and I'm not really sure I'd want to tackle this anyways. That said, I live relatively close to Brock University and I can access their library. Given my location and the namesake, they probably have everything there is to know about the guy. If you wanted me to double check sources or to look for something in particular? Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 04:02, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240827040200","author":"Clovermoss","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Clovermoss-20240827040200-Z1720-20240827023100","replies":["c-Z1720-20240827181800-Clovermoss-20240827040200"],"displayName":"Clovermoss\ud83c\udf40"}}-->

@Clovermoss: If you are interested in fixing up this article, please go to the FAR for this article at Wikipedia:Featured article review/Isaac Brock/archive2. I think this article needs a lot of work to remain a featured article, as many academic sources are not used as inline citations yet. Z1720 (talk) 18:18, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240827181800","author":"Z1720","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Z1720-20240827181800-Clovermoss-20240827040200","replies":["c-Clovermoss-20240827185700-Z1720-20240827181800"]}}-->

@Z1720: I have no objections to you delisting the article. It has a lot of issues and it makes complete sense. My comment was more along the lines of "maybe someday". Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 18:57, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240827185700","author":"Clovermoss","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Clovermoss-20240827185700-Z1720-20240827181800","replies":["c-Z1720-20240827203300-Clovermoss-20240827185700"],"displayName":"Clovermoss\ud83c\udf40"}}-->

@Clovermoss: If you notice issues with the article, it still helps if you comment on its FAR. Sometimes an editor volunteers to address the issues, or uses the FAR as a checklist on how they can improve the article. Z1720 (talk) 20:33, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240827203300","author":"Z1720","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Z1720-20240827203300-Clovermoss-20240827185700","replies":[]}}-->

Hi everyone, it couldn't hurt to have some more eyes on Conservative Party of British Columbia as their rapid rise has led to a lot of editing, some by apparently inexperienced editors. thanks. Dan Carkner (talk) 19:49, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240830194900","author":"Dan Carkner","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Dan_Carkner-20240830194900-would_appreciate_some_more_eyes_on_Conservative_Party_of_British_Columbia","replies":[]}}-->

Can someone please edit {{Canadian party colour|BC|Labor-Progressive|row-name}} so that the row name produced is actually Labor-Progressive instead of Labour Progressive? In the mid-20th century spelling labour without a u - as labor - was actually considered progressive (which is why we have the Australian Labor Party instead of the Australian Labour Party even though Australia otherwise uses -our suffixes). Accordingly, the Labor-Progressive Party in Canada and British Columbia spelled its name without a 'u'. I can't figure out how to fix the mistake in the BC LPP row name. Wellington Bay (talk) 09:54, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240831095400","author":"Wellington Bay","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Wellington_Bay-20240831095400-Party_template_edit_needed","replies":["c-Earl_Andrew-20240831131700-Wellington_Bay-20240831095400"]}}-->

Done, though these requests should be done here instead.-- Earl Andrew - talk 13:17, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240831131700","author":"Earl Andrew","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Earl_Andrew-20240831131700-Wellington_Bay-20240831095400","replies":["c-Wellington_Bay-20240831132100-Earl_Andrew-20240831131700"]}}-->

@Earl Andrew: Thanks - but since I have your attention, there should be a hyphen too - Labor-Progressive, not Labor Progressive. (thanks again) Wellington Bay (talk) 13:21, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240831132100","author":"Wellington Bay","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Wellington_Bay-20240831132100-Earl_Andrew-20240831131700","replies":["c-Earl_Andrew-20240831132500-Wellington_Bay-20240831132100"]}}-->

@Wellington Bay:. Done! -- Earl Andrew - talk 13:25, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240831132500","author":"Earl Andrew","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Earl_Andrew-20240831132500-Wellington_Bay-20240831132100","replies":[]}}-->

I've initiated a merge discussion at Talk:Sons of Butcher (band), proposing that we merge Sons of Butcher (band) with Sons of Butcher (TV series) into a single article instead of two separate ones. The TV series absolutely passes WP:TVSHOW criteria, while it is not at all clear that the band would pass WP:NMUSIC separately from that — fundamentally, the TV show is the band's basis for notability, while there really isn't any significant coverage about the band as a standalone topic independently of the TV show, so it really isn't clear why we would need two articles instead of one. And although both articles are very poorly sourced at present and require improvement, the fact that the band's coverage is almost entirely in the context of the TV show means that the TV show article is much more readily repairable than the band article is.

Additionally, if the articles are merged, then the disambiguation page at Sons of Butcher will become entirely unnecessary, as the only things on it are the band, the TV series, and a self-titled album that exists solely as a redirect to the band rather than a standalone article. So if there is a consensus established to merge them, then the final article should just be located directly at Sons of Butcher.

So some input into the discussion would be appreciated. Thanks. Bearcat (talk) 20:52, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240831205200","author":"Bearcat","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Bearcat-20240831205200-Sons_of_Butcher","replies":[]}}-->

2009 ICF Canoe Sprint World Championships has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 19:07, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240902190700","author":"Z1720","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Z1720-20240902190700-Good_article_reassessment_for_2009_ICF_Canoe_Sprint_World_Championships","replies":[]}}-->

Ottawa Senators (original) has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 22:53, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240902225300","author":"Z1720","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Z1720-20240902225300-Good_article_reassessment_for_Ottawa_Senators_(original)","replies":[]}}-->

Until recently, Paulina Alexis had the short description Canadian actress and was mentioned in the first sentence as a First Nations actress. An IP added Canadian to the first sentence so it read Canadian First Nations actress, and JDDJS removed both uses of Canadian to they both read First Nations actress. I submit that the term may be unfamiliar enough that adding Canadian on first mention and in the short description would help readers, but I also understand that some First Nations people may not consider themselves Canadian. I wanted to bring this to the project where editors might have more informed opinions. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 20:49, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240906204900","author":"Sammi Brie","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Sammi_Brie-20240906204900-\"First_Nations\"_or_\"Canadian_First_Nations\"_on_first_mention,_Paulina_Alexis","replies":["c-JDDJS-20240906205900-Sammi_Brie-20240906204900"]}}-->

Canadian First Nations is redundant in my opinion, like saying an American-Puerto Rican. First Nations is generally what we used, but I wouldn't be opposed to using Indigenous Canadian if people find that a clearer statement. I just added what tribe she's a citizen to the lead as well. JDDJS (talk to me • see what I've done) 20:59, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240906205900","author":"JDDJS","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-JDDJS-20240906205900-Sammi_Brie-20240906204900","replies":["c-Sammi_Brie-20240906210600-JDDJS-20240906205900"]}}-->

The reason I wanted to bring it to discussion—I'd like to see clarity, but I am unsure if it is a good idea—is because of the identity issue at play. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 21:06, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240906210600","author":"Sammi Brie","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Sammi_Brie-20240906210600-JDDJS-20240906205900","replies":["c-Wellington_Bay-20240906233000-Sammi_Brie-20240906210600"]}}-->

There's no such term as "Canadian First Nations". Wellington Bay (talk) 23:30, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240906233000","author":"Wellington Bay","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Wellington_Bay-20240906233000-Sammi_Brie-20240906210600","replies":["c-Nikkimaria-20240907054000-Wellington_Bay-20240906233000"]}}-->

There are other countries that use the term "First Nations" though, such as Australia, so that term needs disambiguation. Nikkimaria (talk) 05:40, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240907054000","author":"Nikkimaria","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Nikkimaria-20240907054000-Wellington_Bay-20240906233000","replies":["c-Dan_Carkner-20240908010800-Nikkimaria-20240907054000"]}}-->

I was thinking that as well, but the link for First Nations there specifically links to the Canadian context, and Alberta is mentioned before long. Among a few awkward choices I think the way it is might be better than "Canadian First Nations" "...who was born in Canada" or whatever else someone would come up with. Dan Carkner (talk) 01:08, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240908010800","author":"Dan Carkner","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Dan_Carkner-20240908010800-Nikkimaria-20240907054000","replies":[]}}-->

Shouldn't we be following Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Biography about this? If so then shouldn't most First Nations, Inuit, and Métis biographies omit the ethnicity in the lead? See Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Biography#Context. This would probably affect a lot of biographies. It would then need to be decided on a case by case basis if an Indigenous Canadian person was noted for being Indigenous or profession / activities. CambridgeBayWeather (solidly non-human), Uqaqtuq (talk), Huliva 20:54, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240907205400","author":"CambridgeBayWeather","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-CambridgeBayWeather-20240907205400-\"First_Nations\"_or_\"Canadian_First_Nations\"_on_first_mention,_Paulina_Alexis","replies":["c-Nikkimaria-20240907222100-CambridgeBayWeather-20240907205400","c-Bearcat-20240912195800-CambridgeBayWeather-20240907205400"]}}-->

Given the example of Wilma Mankiller provided in that section, and the contents of the essay linked from that, I don't think omission is that clear-cut. Nikkimaria (talk) 22:21, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240907222100","author":"Nikkimaria","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Nikkimaria-20240907222100-CambridgeBayWeather-20240907205400","replies":["c-CambridgeBayWeather-20240908023500-Nikkimaria-20240907222100"]}}-->

That's what I said. It would need to be a case by case basis. There isn't a one size fits all. Is Paulina Alexis notable because she's an actress or because she's First Nations or because she's a First Nations actress? Is Mary Simon notable because she's Inuk, the GG or a combination of both? Is Pam Gross notable as an Inuk (most Nunavut politicians are Inuit) or because she's a politician? I feel that Pam is notable as a politician rather than being Inuk. Mary Simon both because she's the first Indigenous GG of Canada. As for Paulina Alexis i don't know enough about her to say if her being First Nations is as notable as being an actress. CambridgeBayWeather (solidly non-human), Uqaqtuq (talk), Huliva 02:35, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240908023500","author":"CambridgeBayWeather","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-CambridgeBayWeather-20240908023500-Nikkimaria-20240907222100","replies":["c-Nikkimaria-20240908030600-CambridgeBayWeather-20240908023500"]}}-->

I would agree it's a case-by-case consideration, but my reading of that guideline is that it would not be based on notability - Wikipedia:WikiProject_Indigenous_peoples_of_North_America/Determining_Native_American_and_Indigenous_Canadian_identities#Overview treats Indigenous identity as equivalent to nationality rather than ethnicity. Nikkimaria (talk) 03:06, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240908030600","author":"Nikkimaria","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Nikkimaria-20240908030600-CambridgeBayWeather-20240908023500","replies":["c-CambridgeBayWeather-20240908144800-Nikkimaria-20240908030600"]}}-->

Possibly, but that's a projects opinion (essay) and can't override the MOS. It looks like it is addressing how to treat people like Todd Russell. CambridgeBayWeather (solidly non-human), Uqaqtuq (talk), Huliva 14:48, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240908144800","author":"CambridgeBayWeather","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-CambridgeBayWeather-20240908144800-Nikkimaria-20240908030600","replies":[]}}-->

• Actually, the problem is that since Australian indigenous people also now use "First Nations", saying that somebody is "First Nations" without also specifying that they're Canadian is now ambiguous in a way that wasn't true five or ten years ago. So we can certainly discuss how the dual inclusion of both First Nations and Canadian is phrased for maximum respect to the article subjects' feelings (I've always personally gone with "So-and-So is a [Specific First Nation] [occupation] from Canada"), but we simply can't ever just say somebody is "First Nations" without "Canadian" anymore, because "First Nations" without mentioning a country at all is unclear as to whether they're a Canadian indigenous person or an Australian indigenous person (which are very different things.)
  I have, for the record, already had to clean up the former Category:First Nations for the misfiling of several indigenous Australian topics in it, and have already had it moved via WP:CFR to Category:First Nations in Canada — some of its subcategories still need to be renamed for the same ambiguity problem, however: I don't think things like "First Nations in [Specific Canadian Province]" would need that, but things like Category:First Nations films and Category:First Nations music will. Bearcat (talk) 19:58, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240912195800","author":"Bearcat","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Bearcat-20240912195800-CambridgeBayWeather-20240907205400","replies":[]}}-->

Hello Canadian Wikipedians' notice board:

WikiProject Women in Green is holding a month-long Good Article Edit-a-thon event in October 2024!

Running from October 1 to 31, 2024, WikiProject Women in Green (WiG) is hosting a Good Article (GA) edit-a-thon event with the theme Around the World in 31 Days! All experience levels welcome. Never worked on a GA project before? We'll teach you how to get started. Or maybe you're an old hand at GAs – we'd love to have you involved! Participants are invited to work on nominating and/or reviewing GA submissions related to women and women's works (e.g., books, films) during the event period. We hope to collectively cover article subjects from at least 31 countries (or broader international articles) by month's end. GA resources and one-on-one support will be provided by experienced GA editors, and participants will have the opportunity to earn a special WiG barnstar for their efforts.

We hope to see you there!

Grnrchst (talk) 11:08, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240910110800","author":"Grnrchst","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Grnrchst-20240910110800-Women_in_Green's_October_2024_edit-a-thon","replies":[]}}-->

If anyone is interested, I started a stub about the one-day general strike in October 1976 against Federal wage controls. It was the largest protest day in Canadian history and there are a fair number of sources on the article. If you can help me expand it, I think it can be a very important article. Thanks!--User:Namiba 14:05, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240916140500","author":"Namiba","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Namiba-20240916140500-1976_Canadian_general_strike","replies":[],"displayName":"User:Namiba"}}-->

Pls see Talk:European Canadians#‎"European Canadians" is not limited to those who specifically identify European ethnic origins in the census Moxy🍁 02:52, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240928025200","author":"Moxy","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Moxy-20240928025200-Mixing_census_data_whites_and_Europeans","replies":[]}}-->