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To-do list for Wikipedia:WikiProject China: Here are some tasks awaiting attention: Article requests : visit WikiProject China/Requested articles Assess : rate the Unassessed China-related articles and Unknown-importance China-related articles, tag the talk pages of China-related articles with the {{WikiProject China}} banner. Cleanup : Clean up grammar and verifications for Shenzhen. A cleanup listing for this project is available. See also the tool's wiki page and the index of WikiProjects. Copyedit : visit China articles needing attention Deletion sorting : listed at WikiProject Deletion sorting/China Expand : China National Ethnic Song and Dance Ensemble, Northern Min, Mobike, Chinese People's Liberation Army Support Base in Djibouti Infobox : visit China articles without infoboxes Maintain : visit WikiProject China/Article alerts Map : visit Wikipedia requested maps in China Merge : deciding whether to merge Islam in China with Islam in China (1911–present), an idea proposed in 2014 Notability : visit WikiProject Notability (WikiProject China listing) and East Asia articles of unclear notability Orphans : visit China articles without a workgroup Photo : visit Wikipedia requested photographs in China Portal : maintain Portal:China and Portal:Republic of China (shared task with WikiProject Taiwan), fill in Anniversaries, update Did you know?, suggest Selected articles and pictures, add {{Portal|China}} to the See also section of China-related articles. Stubs : visit the China stubs category Translate : please visit the Chinese translation department and the Chinese intertranswiki project for more details. Verify : Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2015 TV series) - see Talk:Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2015 TV series)#In China on 1905.com from Dec 31, 2014 and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Transformers/Archive 7#Transformers in (PR) China

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Anyone interested in joining? 48JCL^TALK 03:02, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240601030200","author":"48JCL","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-48JCL-20240601030200-WP:Xinjiang","replies":["c-Hanyangprofessor2-20240607085800-48JCL-20240601030200"]}}-->

@48JCL: Red link...? --_{Piotrus at Hanyang| reply here} 08:58, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240607085800","author":"Hanyangprofessor2","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Hanyangprofessor2-20240607085800-48JCL-20240601030200","replies":["c-48JCL-20240607112100-Hanyangprofessor2-20240607085800"],"displayName":"Piotrus at Hanyang"}}-->

@Hanyangprofessor2: It’s in user space. Admin told me to move it back once I had enough people that wanted to join 48JCL TALK 11:21, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240607112100","author":"48JCL","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-48JCL-20240607112100-Hanyangprofessor2-20240607085800","replies":[]}}-->

Category:Chinese-language-only video games needs populating with games that are not just from mainland China. It was nominated for deletion as a duplicate of a PRC-only videogame category. -- 65.92.244.143 (talk) 06:20, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240601062000","author":"65.92.244.143","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-65.92.244.143-20240601062000-Category:Chinese-language-only_video_games_(edit_|_talk_|_history_|_links_|_watc","replies":[]}}-->

This project is probably more active and should have users able to answer the question. Like I just posted at WPTAIWAN,

(a) As noted since 2013, our actual article on the "Republic of China calendar" entirely omits discussion on how dates before 1912 are handled in the system. Presumably, they aren't handled at all and official practice is to just use BCE/CE Julian/Gregorian dating or the old imperial lunisolar eras. However, we currently have nearly every year of human history back to 719 BC tagged with a "Minguo calendar" equivalent using the form "NNNN before ROC" followed by "民前NNNN年". Is that actually based on anything real whatsoever? Is it the right phrasing in both languages? If it's real, how does it handle the Julian/Gregorian conversion? If it ain't, what was the last date officially using the old lunisolar months?

(b) Those 4000ish year entries are possibly the most prominent use of this system in the English language but, to the extent it can be figured out, is the actual WP:ENGLISH WP:COMMONNAME of the system "Minguo calendar" like the infobox has, "Republic of China calendar" like our page has (partially based on mistaken parallelism with North Korea), or "ROC era" like Ngram suggests it might be (although also based on lots of discussion of mainland topics during the period 1912–1949)? Whichever one it is, the page and the 4000ish applications of the infobox should both be correct and should both agree. — LlywelynII 20:23, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240605202300","author":"LlywelynII","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-LlywelynII-20240605202300-So..._this_is_awkward_(ROC_dating)","replies":["c-Remsense-20240605212100-LlywelynII-20240605202300","c-Mx._Granger-20240606150500-LlywelynII-20240605202300"]}}-->

I think I can answer, though no sources: I haven't really seen Minguo calendar used nearly as much in English. It's not used to backdate at all, it's meant as a civil calendar and saying "前民國400年" or whatever would seem intensely strange, that's just not the point of it. Remsense诉 21:21, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240605212100","author":"Remsense","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Remsense-20240605212100-LlywelynII-20240605202300","replies":["c-LlywelynII-20240605221800-Remsense-20240605212100"]}}-->

@Remsense: I know you're too busy to hunt down specific sources now, but you mean you feel you have seen one of the other terms being used frequently in English? I've definitely seen Minguo as often as ROC (extremely seldomly for either but both in specific detailed contexts), versus absolutely never seeing anyone except Wikipedia writing out all of Republic of China in normal discussion of a date, but ymmv. — LlywelynII 22:18, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240605221800","author":"LlywelynII","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-LlywelynII-20240605221800-Remsense-20240605212100","replies":[]}}-->

I left some comments about this at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Taiwan#So... this is awkward (ROC dating) before I saw this discussion. It seems some sources do mention years like "民國前12年", "民前12年", or "民元前12年", but I think it's more common to use Common Era years or Chinese era name years for events before the late Qing dynasty. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 15:05, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240606150500","author":"Mx. Granger","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Mx._Granger-20240606150500-LlywelynII-20240605202300","replies":[]}}-->

Kindly direct your comments to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Years#Chinese dating (WP:BIAS/WP:UNDUE) but our current year-by-year handling of the Chinese calendar is somewhere between amusingly bad and nonsensical misrepresentation. We should fix it. Some solutions are obvious (use imperial era numbering), others will require some consensus building (handling regnal dating before the Han, how to appropriately abbreviate dating by the supposed ascension of the Yellow Emperor, &c.). — LlywelynII 22:23, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240605222300","author":"LlywelynII","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-LlywelynII-20240605222300-RfC_about_handling_the_Chinese_calendar","replies":[]}}-->

(To be moved from The Prehistoric Culture of China shortly). Pretty major topic, was missing until a student of mine translated it from zh wiki just now. Since it is quite important, I am mentioning it here for folks to review and copyedit and so on. Might make for a good WP:DYK perhaps? _{Piotrus at Hanyang| reply here} 08:57, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240607085700","author":"Hanyangprofessor2","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Hanyangprofessor2-20240607085700-Prehistory_of_China","replies":["c-Folly_Mox-20240607125900-Hanyangprofessor2-20240607085700"],"displayName":"Piotrus at Hanyang"}}-->

I've begun the copyediting process, but have to leave for work shortly. The article seems good, but I don't think the move to the current title was correct. From the lead sentence: Chinese prehistory refers to the culture of the Stone Age in China. No, the subject described in the prose of the article is "material cultures of stone age China" or similar. Prehistory is a much broader topic, and a more cross-disciplinary thing than strictly archaeology. Folly Mox (talk) 12:59, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240607125900","author":"Folly Mox","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Folly_Mox-20240607125900-Hanyangprofessor2-20240607085700","replies":["c-Chipmunkdavis-20240607140700-Folly_Mox-20240607125900"]}}-->

Both might be valid topics, so the title might depend on whether the article is expected to be expanded to become more broad, or if the intention is that a broader Prehistory article be created at some later point. We do already have List of Neolithic cultures of China. The article looks ready for DYK (maybe expand the lead?), but there has been trouble with student editors in the past so they should only nominate if they are planning to stay engaged and answer potential questions from the reviewer. CMD (talk) 14:07, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240607140700","author":"Chipmunkdavis","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Chipmunkdavis-20240607140700-Folly_Mox-20240607125900","replies":[],"displayName":"CMD"}}-->

Template:Chinese conflicts has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the entry on the Templates for discussion page. -- 65.92.244.143 (talk) 05:25, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240608052500","author":"65.92.244.143","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-65.92.244.143-20240608052500-Nomination_for_deletion_of_Template:Chinese_conflicts","replies":[]}}-->

An editor has requested that Premier of the People's Republic of China be moved to Premier of China, which may be of interest to this WikiProject. You are invited to participate in the move discussion. The Account 2 (talk) 17:32, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240613173200","author":"The Account 2","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-The_Account_2-20240613173200-Requested_move_at_Talk:Premier_of_the_People's_Republic_of_China#Requested_move","replies":[]}}-->

I have nominated Gwoyeu Romatzyh for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" in regards to the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. George Ho (talk) 21:43, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240625214300","author":"George Ho","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-George_Ho-20240625214300-Gwoyeu_Romatzyh_under_Featured_Article_Review","replies":[]}}-->

Greetings! Over the past few years, there have been no objections to converting Latin letters and Arabic numerals to ASCII from their full-width forms when they appear in horizontal Chinese, Korean, or Japanese text. I've raised it on MOS and Wikiproject talk pages and made many cleanup edits to articles. I'm making a push to finish that cleanup, and I've been noticing that punctuation, currency symbols, and spaces have the same problem. It looks weird to have the full-width versions mixed in, and they sometimes leak into English-language text. My plan was to start converting punctuation and currency symbols in horizontal text (except where the characters themselves are being discussed) when the July 1 database dump becomes available in a week or two. If you have any questions, objections, concerns, or suggestions, please let me know! Open-circle full stop is not included; the affected characters are: ＂ ＃ ＄ ％ ＆ ＇ ＊ ＋ － ／ ＠ ＼ ＾ ＿ ｀ ￠ ￥ ￦ ＜ ＝ ＞ ｜ ￤ and the space character. -- Beland (talk) 17:45, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240629174500","author":"Beland","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Beland-20240629174500-Converting_full-width_punctuation_and_currency_symbols_in_horizontal_text","replies":[]}}-->

Articles which may be of interest to members of this project—Sexagenary cycle, Heavenly Stems, and Earthly Branches—have been proposed for merging into Chinese cyclical signs. If you are interested, please participate in the merger discussion. Thank you. Remsense诉 18:08, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240701180800","author":"Remsense","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Remsense-20240701180800-Merger_discussion_for_Sexagenary_cycle,_Heavenly_Stems,_and_Earthly_Branches","replies":[]}}-->