Talk:Need-fire
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Proposed merger of Force-fire with Need-fire
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- The result was no consensus to merge Ben MacDui 20:23, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
These two pages appear to discuss the same topic. The Force-fire page specifically states that "Needfire" is another name for the phenomenon, and there is substantial overlap between the two articles in scope and somewhat in sources quoted. I have heard the term Need-fire used more often, and would propose merging Force-fire into Need-fire, though I am not entirely certain that this is the correct direction for the merger. - Lakmiseiru (talk) 15:02, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
- I'd propose merging need-fire into force-fire. The people who did it, most of the time, were Gaels, and force-fire is a calque of the term they themselves would have used. --MacRusgail (talk) 17:04, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
having read both articles it seems to me that there are differences. Need fire seems to be the generic term for a practice witnessed in many places in the world, force fire to those specific practises of the western isles of Scotland. Cross refering the articles is all that is needed. Daiyounger (talk) 20:15, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
- The Force-fire article describes the particularly Scottish version of this, while Need-fire describes it as it appeared internationally. There is no need to keep separate articles; we can describe the Scottish force-fire here and it will be given much-needed historical context.--Cúchullain t/c 19:58, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
The Italian WP article has a much wider focus
See https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nodfyr for inspiration on revising this article. —Geekdiva (talk) 06:18, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
This article relies mostly on "The Golden Bough", which is controversial.
This article cites the Need-fire section of The Golden Bough 14 times. But from what I've read, it's a pretty controversial book. Reading the section, it often says "we hear" or "we read" before claiming something. So it's not clear what the source of many of these claims are, since Frazer is just repeating them, not endorsing them. Not saying we have to take anything away. It would be great to get some other more scholarly sources than Golden Bough. FPTI (talk) 03:08, 3 April 2026 (UTC)
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