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@Illusion Flame: I just want to get on-wiki approval from you before I start making changes (I don't like to edit other people's comments or messages). Do I have your approval to use AWB to remove the extra "thumb" parameter that was added to the newsletter from the relevant user talk pages? Hey man im josh (talk) 19:16, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
Oh right! I forgot that the pings are a part of the reason that editing these newsletters after the fact is discouraged. Yes, please do have Qwerfjkl handle this instead, they've very experienced at handling these tasks. Hey man im josh (talk) 19:44, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
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I created a draft "Draft:Anandmurti_Gurumaa" but it got deleted. Can you please let me know the exact reason why my draft got deleted and what changes I should make before republishing that draft? Please help me.
Hello @Mananarya22 and welcome to Wikipedia! Your draft appears to have been tagged for deletion because when you read it, it sounds like an advertisement. A big part of Wikipedia’s mission is to provide neutral articles to the public. Promotional articles (or drafts) are part of what Wikipedia is not and can be deleted for this reason under the G11 speedy deletion criteria. If you need further assistance, please do let me know. I hope you enjoy your time on Wikipedia, and I encourage you to review our tutorial. Thanks! - 🔥𝑰𝒍𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑭𝒍𝒂𝒎𝒆(𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒌)🔥 13:34, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
Thank you so much for your response. I genuinely appreciate your concern and your commitment to maintaining the neutrality of Wikipedia articles. I want to clarify that my intention was not to promote the draft but to provide an informative and unbiased overview. I apologize if it came across differently. I fully respect Wikipedia's mission to offer neutral content to the public.
I kindly request your guidance on any specific changes that you believe would help bring the draft in line with Wikipedia's guidelines. Your expertise and suggestions will be immensely valuable, and I am committed to working collaboratively to ensure the draft meets the necessary standards.
Greetings @Mananarya22 and thank you for the prompt response. I appreciate your willingness to improve the page. I’d suggest looking at another article about a spiritual teacher you know to see a model of how a page should look like. Then you can make wording changes to the draft so it reads less promotional. Thanks! - 🔥𝑰𝒍𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑭𝒍𝒂𝒎𝒆(𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒌)🔥 13:57, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
Hi, would you consider undoing your close and relisting this RfD instead? Apart from me and the creator, only one person replied, and the reason given for why this could be useful (by the creator) was in my view debunked in my last reply (not answered to). I believe this warrants further input from uninvolved editors, and as it hasn't been relisted yet, a first relist seems appropriate. Fram (talk) 16:32, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
Hm. I can see your points, though as it stands I stand by my keep closure. As it hasn’t been relisted before, I’m fine with allowing more time for comment as it can’t hurt. Done - 🔥𝑰𝒍𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑭𝒍𝒂𝒎𝒆(𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒌)🔥 16:43, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
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Hi Frostly! I’ll admit that categories aren’t really my specialty, but I’ve altered the categories of a few pages that should help a little. I’m liking the new user page! - 🔥𝑰𝒍𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑭𝒍𝒂𝒎𝒆(𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒌)🔥 02:20, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
Question from MarkusDorazio (05:02, 24 October 2023)
Hi, what should I do if I have conflicting sources, for example I am editing about a new tank model. One source has a detailed description of what the new tank model has, upgraded transmission and so on, but it says something that I know (and is support by articles) to be incorrect regarding its thermal optics. Do I clarify that it is not accurate and cite something different, or do I continue to use the misleading description for consistency's sake? --MarkusDorazio (talk) 05:02, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
Sources on Wikipedia often don’t fully agree on things and this is a perfect example. I noticed you said “something that I know”. Just so you are aware, Wikipedia doesn’t use original research and the things in our articles must be support by reliable sources not our editors experiences.
But if it is true that there is a disagreement between the sources, then the consensus is to prefer the most recent one. Or if there is one source that says something, but many other reliable sources say something different, we’d stick with the consensus of the academic community. But it is also important for editors to report all significant viewpoints as fairly as possible.
Hello! Thank you for all of the help that you have made to Wikipedia. I was wondering if I should add in different link numbers if the same link is used twice, and if you restart your link numbers per paragraph, per section, or per page. --Valmelia (talk) 23:59, 26 October 2023 (UTC)
The numbering for citations done the correct way should be automatic. The ref number will be the same if the same link is used twice, and numbering restarts per page. Rusty4321talkcontribs14:54, 29 October 2023 (UTC)
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Your ongoing efforts to improve the encyclopedia have not gone unnoticed: You have been selected as Editor of the Week in recognition of your great contributions! (courtesy of the Wikipedia Editor Retention Project)
I would like to nominate Illusion Flame to be Editor of the Week for his tireless work in the back end of Wikipedia. He is a prolific NPP coordinator and a VRT Agent, and is also seen closing Requested Move discussions and responding to edit filter false positives. He is a hard worker that takes time to train students at the CVUA. He has always been polite and civil towards other editors, and his maintenance work has always been top-notch. This nomination was seconded by User:Novem Linguae
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A prolific NPP coordinator and a VRT Agent. Can be seen closing Requested Move discussions and responding to edit filter false positives. Works to train student editors at the CVUA. Always polite and civil towards all other editors and his maintenance work is top-notch.
You're welcome, Illusion Flame, You very much deserved it for your tireless contributions. I also noticed you reached 10k edits as well too. Congrats for that :) #prodraxisconnect03:30, 22 October 2023 (UTC)
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This award is given to Illusion Flame for collecting more than 200 points during the October 2023 NPP backlog drive. Thank you so much for taking part and contributing to the drive! Hey man im josh (talk) 01:45, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
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I did not receive the barnstar for participating in NPP October driveRatnahastin (talk)
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An arbitration case named Industrial agriculture has been opened. Evidence submissions in this case close 8 November.
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Okay. I’ll have to modify the final exam slightly to not require emails. But I also need to verify that it is you, not someone else, filling out the form. I’ll get back to you! - 🔥𝑰𝒍𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑭𝒍𝒂𝒎𝒆(𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒌)🔥 18:13, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
Hello, since I saw your nomination to receive the edit filter helper right at the edit filter noticeboard (in which I've supported), I was wondering: are there any specific criteria and/or levels of trust I should have so that I can receive the right when I start my first self-nomination (or when somebody else nominates me)? I believe that EFH would allow me to help out with private filter false positives and to suggest fixes when possible.
Hello @64andtim! A big thing I’d tell you is that tenure is important. When I first ran a few months ago (with only ~2 months of tenure), it didn’t go well. But I waited, built up experience responding to reports consistently and correctly over many months, and found a nominator to guide me through the process. I’d encourage you to do the same. (-the first failed request of course) - 🔥𝑰𝒍𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑭𝒍𝒂𝒎𝒆(𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒌)🔥 11:10, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
Send your potential nominator an email with something like:
Hello (insert username here), My username is 64andtim and I am very active with edit filters. I frequently respond to reports and comment on discussions on the EFN. (Insert why you need the right here) I was wondering if you would be willing to nominate me for edit filter helper. Thanks! -64andtim
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Hello! I am interested in taking the Counter-Vandalism Unit course, because I love Wikipedia and have been reading it and learning so much almost as long as it’s been around. I would very much like to protect our beautiful encyclopedia from vandalism and I see you have one student slot open, and I would like to join the CVU!
For being such a good mentor in the CVUA! II would’ve used the Random Acts of Kindness barnstar, but I don’t think it counts as random if I’m your student. Thank you very much for all you do! Shadestar474(talk)08:24, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
I have closed your request at EFN as successful. Feel free to ask if you have any questions, and let me know if you'd like the right removed at any point in the future. — Ingenuity (talk • contribs) 00:26, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
Dear Illusion flame, I wish you all the best that you successfully become an EFH ; You were worthy of this permission, you have achieved a lot in your time working on the English Wikipedia; :) ~~ αvírαm|(tαlk)04:38, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
I was wondering how often people vandalize Wikipedia with horrific images, and how often RC patrollers see these images, because I do not want to be psychologically scarred for life. How often does this happen?
(talk page stalker) — I've come across this sort of image vandalism before. Generally images will be put on the Mediawiki:Bad image list if used repeatedly for vandalism, but unfortunately it is just sometimes part of the job. I am fine with this, but if you think these images would scar you for life then perhaps you should reconsider anti-vandalism, as nobody wants you to be harmed here. I will say that image vandalism is infrequent enough that you forget about it quickly enough (most vandalism will be angry sports fans on children, not people genuinely trying to cause psychological harm!). All the best, Schminnte[talk to me]12:22, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
Question from HollywoodCMT (21:31, 20 November 2023)
I just enjoy the context and don't plan on editing. Is the sole purpose to edit the pages to a baseline of factual information? Where do I even start here?
Thanks in advance --HollywoodCMT (talk) 21:31, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
Greetings @HollywoodCMT and welcome to Wikipedia! Wikipedias purpose can be summarized by our some of our pillars, which I will explain:
Wikipedia is an encyclopedia
We aren’t a dictionary, a newspaper, or a way for people to advertise. Wikipedia is an online version of an encyclopedia
Wikipedia is free content that anyone can use, edit, and distribute
You can edit Wikipedia: for free. You can read Wikipedia:For free.
This is our goal, to provide an accurate and unbiased online encyclopedia that anyone can edit or read for free!
I’d encourage you to edit as well! There are many areas where Wikipedia could use your help. This page explains some of them. Don’t hesitate to let me know if you have any further questions! Once again, thanks, and happy editing! - 🔥𝑰𝒍𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑭𝒍𝒂𝒎𝒆(𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒌)🔥 21:56, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
Last time I ever use passkeys for 2FA
Hello Mr Flame... Turns out it's not a good idea to use passkeys for 2FA because I managed to get into a state where I can login with the password but when I attempt to authenticate with my iCloud passkey which I have, it timesout before it finished authenticating. Now my bets are VRT or getting Opera when I get home so I can scan a QR code to authenticate which would work better :) - Last time I use passkeys. I can't use a physical one because I don't have one and I would lose it. Tempting to add one though just to use as a backup. I'll let you know when I finally get it working (hopefully) or I'll have to usurp my old account and move to a new account :( Zippybonzo (alt)| talk to me | he/she/they 08:13, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
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