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A lot of unsourced stuff and an "It seems safe to infer". I got there looking for a legitimate date for when it became a city.[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_oldest_continuously_inhabited_cities&diff=1131723277&oldid=1131557552] which says 3000BC, which isn't in the article for the city.\

Thanks. Hate to be a pain. Doug Weller talk 13:28, 5 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Doug Weller: Sorry for the delay in responding. I meant to reply Thursday night here, but it slipped my mind & I only started checking my references on hand tonight. Anyway, my original edit (way back in 2003), was drawn from the Encyclopaedia Britannica 1911, which gave a date for its foundation in the 14th century BC. And that was the date of its earliest fluorescence. However, checking a source more up to date -- the Oxford Classical Dictionary, 3rd rev. -- I find that the experts date its foundation much earlier, to the Early Helladic II; according to Helladic chronology, EH II is dated to c. 2650-2200 BC. (That latter article provides another source for this date of the founding of Thebes.) So while Thebes was in existence before the 14th century BC, it definitely was not as early as 3000 BC. -- llywrch (talk) 09:04, 7 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Frankly I think even modern versions of the Britannica are useless for archaeology, more or less useless for history. Doug Weller talk 09:35, 7 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Llywrch, as the GAN reviewer of 2010 Zambian census, currently the only census article with GA status, I was hoping you would be able to review my article on the 1961 Indonesian census. If you can't commit to a full GA review, I'm happy to hear your feedback about the article as well, since you mentioned experience working with census returns. No pressure either way. Cheers! —Arsonal (talk + contribs)— 18:13, 10 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Arsonal: I'd be happy to have a look. I might be a bit slow to complete the GA, however. I'll keep you informed. -- llywrch (talk) 18:28, 10 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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According to the Ethiopian chronics Tewodros mother was from Noble family in Gondar. The only source that mentioned her from Amhara sayint is from Hormuzd Rassam. 2A02:6680:110B:2E76:915F:D0FE:E4FD:5E65 (talk) 01:31, 17 January 2023 (UTC) sockstrike ☿ Apaugasma (talk ☉) 14:24, 19 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

If you are talking about Tewodros II, I haven't touched that article in years. I used the best source I could find at the time. -- llywrch (talk) 17:18, 17 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Thanks for your thanks re my comments. I'm going to your talk page actually because this nexus of the primary sources and basic facts just came up in the article Marcus Atilius Regulus (consul 227 BC) (which I just rewrote). What happend there I think further supports why my approach re basic facts and primary sources is the better one. Going through the edit history, there were two historical versions of the article which greatly differed on MAR's actions in 216 BC:

• The older version c. 2008 is based on Livy. MAR is relived by the new consuls, pleads old age, and returns to Rome.
• A newer version, c. 2011 is based on Polybius. Here, MAR joins the new consuls at Cannae only to die.

Here, Livy's version has to be preferred, as MAR is noted as censor in 214 BC (MRR 1.259, citing Livy 24.11.6 and the Fast. Cap.), even though Polybius is usually the best source for this period. The first editor got lucky. There are two sources and it's a coin flip. The second editor would have been much better served if he had read Klebs 1896 or consulted MRR, where this whole disagreement is sorted out instead of just replacing Livy with Polyb.

Otherwise he would have had to have actually read both (instead of assuming one of the older version was just wrong), recognised there was a legitimate disagreement, consulted Fast. Cap. and then further verified by consulting Val. Max. 2.9.8 (which confirms Fast. Cap.'s censorial pair; there's no date index in Val. Max. so one would just have to know). Ifly6 (talk) 00:03, 10 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, can you re-edit the page of Emperor Tewodros II? A lot of important information got removed from there including Tewodros mother origin. This is misinformation. Geysb819 (talk) 23:51, 12 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Would you also own the account Gabi838r? -- llywrch (talk) 15:36, 13 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello. In Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sultanate of Dawe you were contacted as the creator of the article, yet you said you were not the creator. If you aren't the creator, who was? BTW, I was the one that flagged it as a hoax. I saw the references seemed fishy. 26zhangi (talk) 17:28, 24 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

That is a good question. As an admin, I could look at the deleted article's history & the earliest version has my username on it, with the comment "moved text; no guarrantees made about its reliability". So it had been created with another subject name I looked for the most likely previous name, "Sultanate of Dewe" which was also deleted, but it appears that the history of that article was lost when a page was copied over the existing redirect.

My guess is that whoever created the article is no longer active on Wikipedia. There were a lot of transient accounts contributing to Ethiopian topics back then -- & probably still are. -- llywrch (talk) 17:43, 24 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Please undelete Melka Rafu. The reason given for deletion was not a valid reason for speedy deletion; you could just as easily have delinked the circular redirect. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 23:58, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Pppery:The redirect did nothing more than point back to the one article linked to it; there was nothing to delink. So common sense is not a valid reason to delete a redirect? -- llywrch (talk) 04:08, 25 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

No. Wikipedia's deletion processes are based on enumerated criteria, not individual admins' views as to what is "common sense". And redirects do not exist solely to be linked to. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 04:09, 25 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I beg to differ. You've been around Wikipedia to be aware of the principle of ignore all rules. In this case, there was no point to this circular redirect: a person wanting information about this town is not helped by a redirect back to the article about the woreda it is located in. This is emphasized by a bit of research with Google. Although woredas are often named for their administrative centers, a Google search shows this woreda is not known by the name the CSA gave its chief town, but by an alternative name for the town, "Kombolcha". I found out more about this town by searching on the name "Melka Rafu" than the string "Kombolcha Oromia".

I would say that at this point instead of insisting on strictly following process, you need to prove why process should be followed -- other than because it is process. As the saying goes, "The letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life": slavishly following process without understanding it can only harm Wikipedia. And do you honestly believe if nominated for deletion, this redirect would have been kept? -- llywrch (talk) 07:55, 25 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi, appreciate your feedback on Wikipedia talk:Wikipedia Signpost/2023-11-20/Recent research. Am not asking for any changes, but I think you might have put your comment about the Harper essay at the wrong point in the discussion. Smallbones' introduction of the essay happens down the page a bit after "convenient break". ☆ Bri (talk) 17:25, 27 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Bri, which comment are you referring to? I made two on that talk page: one last week, & another a little while ago. -- llywrch (talk) 18:01, 27 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This one ☆ Bri (talk) 20:15, 27 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

That was the first time he mentions the Harper's essay, not below, so I thought it appropriate to add it there. -- llywrch (talk) 20:41, 27 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Someone is damaging the page of the Yejju. Deleting well established scholarship sources and he/they just typing there whatever they want. The name of the user is Abrasax123 2A02:6680:2105:BEB9:F17A:CF7A:32AE:3A42 (talk) 15:18, 14 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Not clear why this issue was brought to my attention, but okay. -- llywrch (talk) 16:19, 14 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Then who should I speak with? 2A02:6680:2105:9789:BDF8:9CEB:427C:256B (talk) 19:58, 14 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

No, I have looked into it, but I don't see a difference between the two versions. I asked Abrasax123 what the difference was & they said there was none -- which does not explain their comments on their edits. Right now I'm at work & without access to my library, otherwise I'd have a good look at the article & see if I can't draft some kind of compromise version. -- llywrch (talk) 17:07, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Check the sources in your free time if you can please. It is all backed. The yejju were not ethnically Oromo, but partly assimilated one. 2A00:A040:198:F2D3:B4AE:AFE4:F4F3:3D3E (talk) 18:12, 16 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sigh. There was no change to the ethnic identity of the Yejju in my harmonized version; that they were adopted into the Oromo is possible. What you have changed -- against what the sources say -- is that the Yejju were ever Christian. The Futuḥ al-Ḥabasha makes no such claim; it only states that some had converted to Islam. The doctoral paper which cites this passage as proof misrepresents what the text actually says. (Mistakes like this occasionally happen in scholarly works, while not invalidating the central thesis of the work.) I don't know why you insist on this unfounded claim -- as well as insisting that footnotes should not be combined. (P.S. The ethos website is offline for some reason so I can't confirm what Merid Aregay states.) -- llywrch (talk) 20:01, 17 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

“it only states that some had converted to Islam.” Well from what religion? The Yejju lived in a district called Qawat which was located in the area of modern-day Shewa robit. So they were definitely Christin. 2A02:6680:2101:3D03:F024:63C8:F569:40B3 (talk) 15:02, 22 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

There were pagan believers north of the Abbay at least as late as the 14th century -- see the Gadlat of Tekla Haymanot, which describes his encounters & conversion of a number of them; Christianity came late to many parts of the Highlands that are firmly Christian today, such as Gojjam. So not only is it rash to assume all of the people in that region had embraced Christianity, it is original research. Let's just stick to the verifiable statements. -- llywrch (talk) 16:55, 22 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Depends which areas in Gojjam you are talking about. East Gojjam was Christianised relatively early. West Gojjam in the other hand became predominantly Christian only after the centre of the empire moved from Shewa to the area of lake Tana. 2A02:6680:1107:CEED:B963:929B:D888:9EFE (talk) 22:45, 29 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Please take this to Talk:Yejju people. -- llywrch (talk) 23:07, 29 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, remember when you solved the Yejju page conflict by harmonizing the two versions? User:2A02:6680:2105:9789:CD:705C:5BB3:D3A7 is still changing things up, even though the references prove otherwise. Abrasax123 (talk) 19:12, 17 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I've asked for intervention over at WP:AN/I. Since I have no other way to contact the anon IPv6 editor, I am announcing it here. I hope this is sufficient notice. -- llywrch (talk) 00:34, 18 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Someone removed the writing that Amhara are the heirs of Aksum empire. The person that removed it was with Arabic user name. He recently changed it to English. Sorry, I just don’t know who more to connect since you are both administrator and editor of Ethiopian pages 2A02:6680:2101:3D03:F024:63C8:F569:40B3 (talk) 14:59, 22 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Which article(s) did this happen at? -- llywrch (talk) 16:50, 22 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

A what do you mean? I’m referring to the page of the Amhara people 2A02:6680:1107:CEED:B963:929B:D888:9EFE (talk) 22:40, 29 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

He did that again by the way. Now he wrote that Christianisation of Amhara begin in the late Aksum empire period. Now not only that he deleted stuff from the page but add other stuff based on his own agenda/mind. Users such as Dawit S Gondaria used to check him but now since he got blocked few months ago as due to be accused of personal insults no one is checking him anymore. He doing whatever he wish. The name of that user is Socialwave597. He used to had an Arabic user name but he changed it to English a short while ago. 2A02:6680:1107:CEED:B963:929B:D888:9EFE (talk) 23:08, 29 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Please take this to Talk:Amhara people. -- llywrch (talk) 23:12, 29 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It will be pointless. There is literally no one in the other side 2A00:A041:E19A:2600:B920:55A9:EE37:C6ED (talk) 09:48, 30 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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I have read the Wikipedia page of the dictator Mengistu Haile Maryam and I think there is false information regarding what is written under the category of his early life; when it mention his background/family. 2A02:6680:1107:CEED:B963:929B:D888:9EFE (talk) 22:49, 29 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Feel free to state what you think is wrong at the talk page for that article. That is at Talk:Mengistu Haile Mariam. -- llywrch (talk) 23:05, 29 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello @Llywrch! There is an ongoing discussion in the talk page of the Amhara people article. The topic is about the Christianization of the Amharas. I stated in the article that the christianization started in the 4th century with Emperor Ezana and added reliable sources. For some reason my edit was reverted by "Socialwave597" without a good explanation and so I decided to start a talk page with him. Before starting this topic in the talk page, I had already seen other people complaining about him and when I checked the history logs I saw that he reverted every edit that didn't fit in his narrative, but I still tried talking with him. It turns out he literally does not approve any of the sources I provided, using random excuses he can find to try and invalidate them. He then proceeded to ask for more "peer reviewed scholarship on this topic" and I agreed, giving him more of what he wanted. Guess what? He started invalidating them left and right. Throughout the discussion he also provided some sources, but when you read them they do not mention any of his claims. I really need help as I do not know what to do. Any edit I make he will revert it. He even reverted one of my previous edits that had multiple well known sources! Javext (talk) 13:01, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I wasn't quite sure how to do, so thats why I asked you to. Thanks very much for doing it. Davidgoodheart (talk) 02:09, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Voting is now open for the WikiProject Military History newcomer of the year and military historian of the year awards for 2024! The top editors will be awarded the coveted Gold Wiki. Cast your votes here and here respectively. Voting closes at 23:59 on 30 December 2024. On behalf of the coordinators, wishing you the very best for the festive season and the new year. MediaWiki message delivery via MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 23:59, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello Llywrch: Enjoy the holiday season and winter solstice if it's occurring in your area of the world, and thanks for your work to maintain, improve and expand Wikipedia. Cheers, P Aculeius (talk) 14:16, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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